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NASB | John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:24 "That is why I told you that you will die [unforgiven and condemned] in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am the One [I claim to be], you will die in your sins." [Ex 3:14; Matt 24:5; Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8] |
Bible Question (short): do you believe in binity? |
Question (full): Hey Tim, I hope I didn't come off as sarcastic when I mentioned the fact that you were saved at the age of six. I love testimonies! I just heard Woodrool Kroll's (sorry for the spelling) testimony and he was saved at the age of 5. Tim, I believe in God and the supernatural and I truly do believe that you could be saved at the age of 6. It's been a long time but maybe I did know my address at the age of 6 but I certainly didn't know the nature of Jesus. I didn't know that the Son of God could also be God. I was probably wondering how Clark Kent could actually be Superman. I definitely didn't know at the age of 6 that I was a sinner in need of a savior. I'm curious though. You said you need to know the nature of Jesus in order to be saved. Did you know the entire nature of Jesus? Did you know of the Hypostatic Union and how He had two wills and natures? If you could understand this then your supernatural story is incredible! It is fascinating how you could understand that God loved and obeyed Himself that he sacrificed Himself to Himself in order to atone for the sins of mankind. Please let me know more. I love hearing testimonies! Also, did you discover God's plan of redemption on your own through reading parts of the Bible on your own or were you told the "gospel" by someone? My testimony goes as follows: I was an alcoholic and a pothead. I started going to church and was blessed with a pastor who preached repentence and daily reading of the Bible. I read the Bible and discovered that it is truly God's word and found His plan of redemption and accepted it. I knew I was a sinner in need of a savior and knew that Jesus was that savior. I accepted Him as my Lord and Savior and knew in my heart that He was the incarnate Son OF God. I immediately experienced conviction and by the grace of God I was freed from my bondage of sin that separated me from God. My pastor taught me to be a Berean. One problem! I never knew what the definition to the Trinity was before I was saved. I had no idea that Jesus was Yahweh. When my pastor got to John 8:24 in his verse by verse study I discovered, according to his understanding of this verse, that I was going to "die in my sins" and I immediately questioned my salvation. I worked out my salvation with "fear and trembling" and studied every aspect of this verse before I accepted or rejected my pastor's interpretation. I ended up rejecting his interpretation which landed me in my own home church. One thing I learned about Church history is that people will be persecuted or ostracized if you disagree with the majority. Nothing new is under the sun. Tim, I would love to address some of your points but we need to slow down for BradK. He is confused over the word Binity. By Binity I mean that the Father and Son are co-qequal, co-eternal, and con-substantial. you said that in John 8:24 that Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah. So is it fair to say that you believe that one will "die in their sins" if they don't believe that the Father and Son are co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial (One being). I know there's no mention that one must understand this in order to be saved but you are saying that one must believe this right? In other words, believing that Jesus is the "being" of Jehovah is a requirement of belief according to your understanding of scripture. By the way, I gave DPMartin a chance to agree with you since you said you two are in agreement that Jesus is claiming in John 8:24 to be Jehovah. It didn't sound like he is in complete agreement with you. I didn't see anywhere in his post that Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah or that you will "die in your sins" if you don't think Jesus is Jehovah. His post is entitled "Andy I don't have an interpretation of...". Religion is defined as a specific set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. You see why I say the Trinitarian Protestant Religion can't be entirely true. People within the religion cannot agree on the requirement of belief needed for salvation. The religion has turned into chasing the "right" gospel. God Bless, Andy |