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NASB | John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 1:12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name-- [Is 56:5] |
Subject: Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly |
Bible Note: Hi John, Thank you for your answers. I think you may have misunderstood me, since you did not actually answer the question I asked. I know that all born again believer have faith. We have been talking about whether faith can exist in one before regeneration or not, but you have made this point moot by saying that you believe Abraham was a born again regenerate. Where does the Bible tell us that? Where in the Bible do you find the first "born from above" experience happening? I would answer No because we do not see the Holy Spirit indwelling believers until after the crucifixion. Hebrews tells us that these men and women of faith died without receiving the promise, the result of faith, (see 10:39) the preservation of soul, salvation - the new creation. Heb 11 39 And having obtained witness through the faith, these all did not obtain the promise, 40 God having foreseen something better concerning us, that they should not be perfected apart from us. Love in Christ, Mark PS - We're closing for the day, so I'm off the net til Monday. Good discussion, John! You really challenge me on these things! I am looking forward to continuing, if you don't burn out over the next couple of days. :-) |