Bible Question:
Who did Christ Die For? It is believed by most of the world today that Christ died for all of man kind. But did he? The bible is very clear on this and I would like to give one verse that must be answered before we can say that Christ died for all of man kind. John. 17:2 here we find that Christ gives eternal life to who? not everyone but to who? only to those that the father has given him, notice that he say has given, not will give, but already has given to him, pass tense. Now if everyone here was in view there would be no reason to say all that the father has given me. So we can see just from this one verse and there are a lot more, that Christ did not die for everyone and that God has not the will to save everyone. |
Bible Answer: humpy, what shall we call you, "one verse" humpy? :-) You singled out a lone verse in Revelation to introduce us to your Preterist theory of eschatology and now you zero in on a lone verse in John to introduce us to your Limited Atonement theory of soteriology. ...... But, humpy, spare us the agony of suffering through another debate of this "L" (Limited Atonement) petal, the most controversial of the TULIP petals of Calvinism. Calvinism and its counterpart, Arminianism, have been debated to death on this forum and have caused more friction and disruption than any other topics that have ever hit the pages of this forum. If you have about a month to spare and wish to read what has been posted on Calvinism/Arminianism: free-will and election, total depravity of man, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, or perseverence of the saints, go to Search and type in any combination of these key words. But please do not push this issue further. To do so will engender debate and result in disruption of this forum. Please believe me that it is in your own best interests to proceed no further on this subject. It is most unlikely that you will be able to produce any verse of Scripture or add any supplementary exposition that has not been covered many times on this forum. You will succeed only in plowing old ground that has already been plowed many times over and had no measurable effect in changing anyone's mind. So please, I appeal to you, end this now while you still have the option. --Hank |