Bible Question:
I would never start to say that any man's words are perfect. I know many "authorities" that have let flesh get in the way of what God wants. But I have been listening to their teachings for close to twenty years. Like all of us, they have grown over the years. It still amazes me how God can lead me to the same passage over and over and always give me a deeper understanding. Just out of curiosity, what do you personally know about any of them? I don't question your sincerity, but I also don't question theirs. Here is my reasoning: If they are called by God, then God will hold them accountable. If they are called by God, and I hold them accountable, God will hold me accountable. Does that make any sense? I have to admit that I was completely taken aback at the response I have received. I just would never have thought... Nothing that I have heard them say, or read that they wrote goes against scripture. Not everyone agrees, but that's not unusual. Let me see if I can express what they have taught me. God is the creator of all things. God created man and gave him dominion over the earth. Man sinned, and gave dominion to satan. (don't get me wrong, God is all powerful. He can, at anytime, do what ever He will.) Jesus came earth, walked as a man with the Holy Spirit working through him. He died on the cross, for my sins, was resurrected and is seated at the right hand of God. Jesus Christ will come again. Mean while, we are to strive to walk every step of our lives in His will. When we are in the perfect will of God, God will provide everything, according to His wealth, that we will need. God desires for us to be prosperous so that we are able to be used for His purpose. We do not own anything. Everything is God's, we are merely stewards for Him. Can we agree so far? Kelkat |
Bible Answer: I listened to Copeland since 1980 almost exclusively, ever since I got saved. Then I started branching out to listening to anybody affiliated w/him. I've been to Believers Conventions, experienced miracles, owned so many tapes that it was almost impossible to store them, was giving them to people all the time just so they'd get the Word. When I first heard that Copeland was wrong from someone I respected, it shocked me. Then it seemed that everywhere I turned was someone telling me he was wrong. I listened to him for 18 yrs! I practically taped every show he had on, got the Voice of Victory, was receiving the publications from Jerry, Jesse, Joyce, Creflo, Hagin...bought tapes from most of them. I even went to Creflo's church because Copeland and Roberts were going to be there, I fully expected a healing and it didn't happen, in fact I had a set back. I knew it wasn't lack of faith because I was ready. Then it was after this I started hearing about fallacy from them. I sure did NOT want to hear that, but when enough witnesses start telling you, you have to really start examining to find out the truth. Now I've quit all of them. I admit there was some good there, but I've read that the percentage w/apostates is 95 percent truth and 5 percent apostasy, that way you can swallow the apostacy easier, if it was blatant, you'd never believe it. I bet if I scrounged around, I could prob find the tape where it talks about God gave man dominion and Adam gave it to Satan when he sinned. Then God was locked out of the earth. He couldn't make a new man because now it belonged to Satan, Adam gave it to him and God's honorable, He won't go back on His Word. So He had to find a man to speak His Word, get His Word back in, that's why it took so long to get Jesus in. I used to preach this on other forums trying to explain things to unbelievers. I was also in constant contact w/these ministries, sending money, calling for prayer, they'd even send me free tapes when I had a particular problem, I never would have dreamed anything they said was wrong. My daughter was born after a blanket prayer at the '91 Anaheim Convention. Copeland said in 9 mos, I expect to get some baby announcements, before the year was up, I sent him one. It's amazing what had to go on in my life to force me to take a good, long look. But God finally got my attention. Just be openminded, maybe that's why you're here, to find out the truth. :) This site really needs to lift the ban on symbols, it is a big pain!!! |