Subject: josiebible, where does it say we can ask |
Bible Note: Part 2 I would agree that prophesy is greater than tongues due to the fact that one prophesy edifies the body and tongues without interpretation, does not. What I said was, "Look at the second part of this verse. Let me paraphrase to convey the interpretation..Greater is the message of prophesy (because it is clearly understood) than tongues UNLESS the tongues are interpreted..then they are equal with prophesy because the message in tongues is clearly understood. But what I want you to see is that Paul said UNLESS meaning all tongues may not be interpreted." Paul clearly says that prophesy is greater UNLESS tongues are interpreted..implying that tongues with interpretation are equal or at least reasonably comparable with prophesy when the interpretation is given. You said... "The gift of tongues IS NOT the only administered by the Holy Spirit at His will ... so why would Paul have even needed to write this letter of correction ... because I have already said ... they were incorrect in the application." You may be correct on this point. I do not understand this but that may be because when the Holy Spirit uses me with the gift of tongues, He clearly indicates His will to do so. 1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. You said... You ask "If it is a miraculous language with someone present who know the language..why is there the need for the 'gift of interpretation'?" ... It is because the rest (most) of the people didn't understand the foreign tongue ... only a some did. When some message was spoken, let us say in the language of the Medes, the rest of the church didn't understand ... so Greek (or their main language) was also spoken, by interpretation. If there was no interpretation ... the rest of the church would not be edified. 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: According to the above verses there is no indication that Paul is speaking af varying languages. He says when the unlearned or unbelievers come in what will they think? Translate:to express in another language, systematically retaining the original sense. Interpret:To explain to ones self the meaning of.2. To expound the significance of.3. To represent or render the meaning of.... Now while admittedly these two are close there is one main difference..If you speak in my language I will translate accurately, not interpret. One who interprets works as a third person..you speak, I understand because I speak the same language, then I translate to the croud. But if the message is for me, if this is the gospel preached in my language miraculously(as on Pentecost) there would be no need to interpret to otheres. If what you say is true, the word of choice would be translate..but again, Paul makes no language distinctions, on unbelievers and unlearned. You said... Matthew 18:20 does say "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" However, again it doesn't say more than three. Moreover, this verse has been taken out of context, by many, not just you. It is about church discipline (vv 15-20). The Lord is present in a similar situation in the OT (Due 19:15-17 My exact words were, "The gift of tongues is a different manifestation of the Holy Spirit, to be spoken where there are two or more and should be interpreted." Matthew 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." Actually in context it is addressing prayer. So int the future I will use the word gathered in service. What about 1 Corinthians 14:18-19, specifically the fact that Paul makes a distinction between speaking in tongues and speaking in tongues in service? 18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. |