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41 | Don't be deceived | Gen 2:9 | Scribe | 85973 | ||
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. No I have not. Do you have a thought on it? Could it be the same day he created serpents? |
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42 | What could I possiblt do that's greater? | John 14:12 | Scribe | 85967 | ||
Good answer. I think the logic applies to both the number saved and the number healed. Because the Holy Spirit was poured out on all and all prophesied,(acts 2) fulfilling the prophesy of Moses Numbers 11:29 I would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! So as they go forth and witness Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And as all the believers went forth and do go forth today... Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. It is true that many more are saved, baptised in the Holy Spirit, speak in tongues, healed, lay hands on the sick, cast out devils and even raise the dead, all over the world and not just in Jerusalem. Praise the Lord His Gospel is going forth and many are having their lives changed and made white and purified in these last days. |
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43 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85966 | ||
Ok I am bored now, in my opinion Joyce won the debate. :) | ||||||
44 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85961 | ||
Maybe I should debate this man on the air? | ||||||
45 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85959 | ||
Part 2 of 2 Now taking the Bible on the subject the Lutheran Pastors I have contact with, are false teachers, because the give their congregation who are immoral and not born again the false sense of security that they are saved. Joyce on the other hand teaches a strong message of holiness and accountability. As stated I have never heard her teach on the descension but hear her call people to a deeper walk with God in every message. So who is the false teacher according to the Bible, the Lutheran pastor that teaches that the member of his congregation that commits adultery will still go to heaven at their funeral, (yes I have heard this) or Joyce who would say if they did not repent in sincerity in truth they went to hell. I think Joyce is in line with scripture on salvation and the doctrine of salvation by faith over every Lutheran I have met so far. Why am I picking on Lutherans, I am not, I am addressing the doctrine of the pastor that is claiming he is an authority on doctrine and Joyce is not and that he wants to paint her as a false prophet. Biblically she does not qualify but the Lutherans I know of do. Let’s stick to what the scripture says about a wandering star and a false teacher and then see who fits the pattern. If you are honest you have to agree that the pattern is that the bible teaches that the false teacher teaches that you can commit fornication, or that the grace of God allows you to commit lasciviousness., etc. So we say we want to be biblical but few us really do it. Instead we run around calling someone a false prophet because we don’t agree with them. Just say you think she is wrong, instead of calling it false doctrine. Or be biblical and Berean like you claim and use scripture that says a false teacher teaches that doctrine that you are saying she is teaching. You do not have the right to call someone a false teacher unless the bible says that they who teach that are false teachers. I have heard Lutherans say someone who died an unrepentant adulterer is in heaven So I can say according to the scriptures that that Lutheran pastor was a false prophet.. or teachers. Because he taught that the person could have his lasciviousness excused because of the Grace of God, though it was a false teaching and not the true Grace of God which teaches… Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; I would end my posts concerning this thread with the reminder that I am sure there are saved born again Lutherans as there are in other denominations world wide and God knows whose are his and let every man that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. This post is not about Lutheran bashing but how that if this Lutheran pastor thinks he has biblical authority to call Joyce a false prophet I have more biblical authority to accuse the Lutheran doctrine of such and mine is more inline with what the scripture describes as a false teacher. |
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46 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85958 | ||
Part 1 of 2 I did a study on false teachers in the New Testament and I noticed that of the many verses on it most of them have a clear reference to teaching immorality, or that one can indulge in the flesh and still go to heaven. My wife grew up in the Lutheran church. My wife is well versed in scripture today. When she was born again, she could not find anyone in her church that had a clue what she was talking about. That speaks volumes about the “doctrine” going forth from that pulpit at least. But I have found her experience not uncommon to Lutheran churches in my area. She will also testify that the teaching there did suggest that the members who were committing adultery and other obvious sins would still go to heaven because they were baptized in the Lutheran church and a few other things they had “checked off” of what was required. But for the most part even if you asked those that kept the Lutheran rules and quoted the right sayings, if you asked them if they died right now if they would go to heaven, they could not answer in the affirmative with confidence but gave the same answers you get from anyone on the street, “I hope so” or “no one can be sure can they” This condition of the typical Lutheran Congregation speaks volumes about the doctrine of their pulpits. Now if this pastor can say that Joyce is a wandering star, quoting Jude of which wandering stars mentioned there are reserved for everlasting damnation, and if the reason he is so sure of her being a false teacher has to do with doctrine then let us look at what the scripture says about false teachers. If we are going to be like the Bereans and search the scriptures whether these things be so, let us search the scriptures on false teachers, not one of them mentions that if a teacher thinks that Jesus had to suffer in hell he is a false teacher. I don’t agree with that idea, I do not know what happened when Jesus desceneded and I think if the bible is silent about it we should be also, but nevertheless that is not the example the new testament gives as to what is a false teacher. And furthermore the New Testament does not leave it up to us to guess what is a false teacher. By the sound of most that accuse others of being false teachers in the Christian church they sound like they are saying if you do not agree with me on a doctrine you are a teacher of false doctrine. But thanks be to God he gives us plenty of detailed examples of what is a false teaching, I am going to post only a few to give an idea…. Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! And the wandering stars Jude spoke of? What did they teach? Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. There are many many more, do a search and you will see there is a pattern. The false teacher that we have a biblical right to call a false teacher is not one that disagrees with our denomination on baptism or what happened to Jesus when he descended, but who teaches you can indulge in the flesh and still go to heaven. (continued on next post) |
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47 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85907 | ||
I dont agree with many things Faith Teachers have taught, but his view on what faith is does not make him a false prophet. You are going to have to go back to the scriptures and read about false teachers and false prophets, then compare this teaching about Copelands view on faith and you will see it is not one of the scriptural examples of what makes a false prophet. (and I don't listen to Copeland or Joyce) I listen to Joyse when she is on my radio going to work because I only listen to christian radio and no other station. But I don't seek her out. I find their teachings quite boring for me. I am sure that others get something out of it, but to me they are very basic. |
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48 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85906 | ||
I am simply saying that I have been around those that enjoy the teaching of Joyce Meyers, I know many of them, I have seen their daily lives, all of the ones I know of live holy lives and are full of the fruits of being saved, Love, joy, peace, holiness, purity etc. I have also been around many Lutherans as this writer that declares Joyce to be a false teacher teaching doctrines of demons.. Of all the Lutherans that I have been around, none of them were born again, none of them ever read the bible or had a clue what real doctrine was, whether it related to the descension of Christ into the lower parts of the earth or any other doctrine. ( I am sure there are Lutherans that do know doctrine but the ones I know do not) So it is not fair for me to paint with a broad brush all Lutherans just becuase all the one I know are dead in their sins going through the motions of church attendance but little else, neither is it fair to call Joyce a false teacher because she taught that certain things probably occurred during that time that she has now recanted. I look more at the fruit of peoples lives to tell if their doctrine is correct. May God bless you as you study His word. | ||||||
49 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85896 | ||
I think that is pretty goofy preaching, but it is still not damnable heresy. It is not saying that we must be saved by works, or saying that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was not sufficient, he is just adding more details about what he thinks the descending into hell meant. I don't agree with the teaching, but it is hard to call it a doctrine of demons. I think saying that someone has to be trained in systematic theology and apologetics to be a good preacher is more in the area of doctrines of demons. That sort of teaching suggests that Timothy who was mentored by paul not nor formally trained in the type of modern seminary the writer is suggesting was not a good preacher. I think that is more a violation of the scriptures than what he is accuseing Kenneth Copeland of. Why.. Because we do not really know what happened when Jesus descended into hell. We know he went because David prophesied it and Peter repeated it in Acts 2. We don't know what happened, so I can't really 100 percent say. But I can say that to suggest that a preacher called of God has to be formally trained in theology and apologetics and the art of hermenuetics is not going to be able to teach sound doctrine is a direct contradiction to several known scriptures that say otherwise. Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: |
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50 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85894 | ||
Gee I think Joyce and her Husbands response seems more Christ like. | ||||||
51 | Will we be here once anti-Christ appears | 1 John 2:18 | Scribe | 85874 | ||
Part 2 of 2 Daniel 11:31-35 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Revelation 13:4-8 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. There are many others and too many for me to post. Taking into consideration that the readers of Johns letters were well aware of the doctrine of the coming wicked prince John is simply reminding them that even though there is an antichrist that will come, even now there are many antichrist of which they needed to be on their guard against. And by stating what they taught he gives us divine insight into what the Antichrist to come will teach. It appears that the main underlying hallmark will be a denial of Jesus Christ as God in the Flesh. |
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52 | Will we be here once anti-Christ appears | 1 John 2:18 | Scribe | 85873 | ||
Part 1 of 2 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. If John were the only one that had ever mentioned the antichrist then these scriptures would be sufficient for telling the whole story. Since that is not the case you have to look at them all to understand. John did not say they were wrong for believing a long established doctrine from the prophets of a coming antichrist, but simply reminded them that the doctrine that this antichrist would teach was even now being taught by many antichrists. John is simply reminding them that this stratedgy of satan (which will give his authority to the antichrist) is what is behind these false teachers. John never says.. "you are wrong for thinking there is a one antichrist.. I tell you there are many" but that is the way people keep quoting him. He says, "ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;" that is not a contradiction of the doctrine that One particular Antichrist will come. This doctrine that John knew they were familiar with is in many prophets. They grew up understanding it. Only they called it The Wicked Prince and names like The Man of Sin. It is in Ezek and Dan and also in other prophets. Daniel says much about him. Paul spoke of it as something the Thessalonians already knew about and reminded them that the falling away associated with the Man of Sin and the revelation of the Man of Sin (That Wicked) was something that we can mark as the sign that we have entered into the day of the Lord that final outpouring of judgements. We are in the last days and as a result there are many antichrist teaching that Jesus is not God in the flesh, but the final Day of the Lord has not began yet and we will know that it is upon us if the man of sin is revealed standing in the holy place, the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet. The book of Revelation goes into great detail about the Antichrist and does not spiritualize him as many but as one man. They began calling the prophecy of the man of sin or wicked prince the antichrist becuase they had more revelation after learning Christ that this man of sin would attempt to oppose the Second Coming. Ezekiel 21:25-27 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high. I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: (continue on next post) |
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53 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85867 | ||
Interesting, I am in agreement with the statement that I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I was a sinner, but now I am saved. Paul knew he was forgiven and made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. This message is not obsolete but a very present truth. If this is the best this writer can do to try and paint Joyce as a false prophet he is not doing a good job. As a matter of fact I am finding more fault with the few statements of the writer than with Joyce. "'Like others in the Word-Faith camp who are uneducated, untrained and unskilled in doctrine and systematic theology" What constitutes "educated, trained and skilled in doctrine and systematic theology?" Fishermen? or those that attend the Univiersities of the writers liking? If the authors of the doctrine were untrained, unskilled, and uneducated, then we have no right to demand such from the readers or preachers. The bereans searched the scriptures to see if these things were so. I recommend the writer of the article do the same. 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. All Joyce is saying, is that we are all sinners in the sense that we have all sinned, but if you are born again and a partaker of the divine nature you have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lusts, God does not look at you as a sinner but as Cleansed by the Blood of Christ and God calls you the righteousness of God in Christ. If God says that about me, who am I to argue against God and call myself a miserable sinner. Yes I was, and at times I feel like I still am, but I am not, I am a new man in Christ, born again and forgiven, my sins are removed as far as the east is from the west and Most born again saints do believe this. So if the writer thinks that those that dare call themselves the righteousness of God in Christ are false teachers, then he has condemned the whole church as I know it. This type of rhetoric, comparing Joyce with the false prophets of Zech 13 is as extreme as any extremism he accuses Joyce of. And so he will be judged with the same judgement he dishes out. His lack of grace toward a fellow saint only prooves his sainthood is questionable. His interpretation of what Joyce meant is in error. I have heard her preach many times that her teaching or any other teaching of man is not divinely inspired as the Word is. This writer is simply leaping on a poor choice of words to try and say Joyce is meaning something beyond what she said. This writer is Lutheran? My wife grew up in a Lutheran church, not trying to say they are all alike but the one where she grew up, she never knew anyone that was saved. When she was born again she had to leave the Lutheran Church. In the church she attended the Sunday School teacher taught teen girls it was ok to get abortions. I can get an idea why this pastor might be so surprised by this teaching. The church my wife went to knew nothing about being born again. They were sinners alright. Just as much as anyone else. They liked keeping their faith private and they did a good job, as far as she could tell they did not have any. I have hung around with Lutherans,and I have hung around with saints that attend Joyce Meyer's meetings. Give me the Joyce fans anyday, they are definitly saved and on the way to heaven. I could not see any fruit of that in the Lutheran Church. Don't be offended by my statements, they are simply the observation of one Lutheran Church (or a few others I have come in contact with in my life) I am sure there are some out there that are different. And my point is simply that I can find much more doctrinal error in the Lutheran Churches I came in contact with than in Meyer's. How about the Lutheran Pastor that tells a grieving couple he will not bury their baby because the baby was not baptized? Let us use righteous judgement and walk in Love. Someone asked about modern Pharisees or Scribes who are guilty of the error Jesus warned us against, I think it is these type of debate mongers, and cult watchers that fit the description. They strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. |
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54 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85842 | ||
I will mention that there is no such scripture that says a woman should not be a pastor. We infer it from the scriptures instructing the elder, bishop, as addressed to men to therefore exclude women as a consideration in the mind of Paul. So we can say that it is "inferred" in scripture that a pastor be a man. It is not really fair to say the scripture CLEARLY says a woman should not pastor. I believe the inferrance is enough, but I do not say that it is conclusive. I am open to more light (but only from the scriptures) I would not attend a church in America where the woman was the pastor and that by choice. I would not have a problem with a temporary situation where say the pastor of an independant church went home to be with the Lord and the wife how had been involved in ministry with her husband served as pastor until another male pastor was chosen. I would have a problem with a church that chose to keep a female pastor indefinitely. I am not 100 percent sure I am right about being that way. I am open to the Lord to show me if I am proud or if this is something that is not from Him. I want to follow the Lord and not men, I want to adhere to the correct interpretation of scripture and not misinterpretations based on personal prejudice. When it comes to seeking the Lord in holiness and wanting myself and my church to be under a godly leadership who seeks only the fulness of Jesus Christ, I would rather have a holy woman pastoring than and compromising flesh ensnared man. What I am saying is that the Word of God does give us clear direction, and it is a direction that is full of the Spirit, not legal rules that do not point to Christ. If you were in a situation where you had to choose between a man that you knew (but it had not been made public) had a porn addiction, and a woman that lived holy and pure before the Lord and of course had the gifts of pastoring, then God would expect you to choose the way of holiness and not compromise. Let us think in light of all the scriptures and not one we think says a woman should not pastor, when it really says no such thing. But again.. I believe a woman should not pastor IF there is a man who is able. But don't let that "order" of things cause you to miss the will of the Lord in certain circumstances and judge a woman's ministry as not "of God" and find yourself in opposition to the Lord, because of dogmatic stances where the scripture is not dogmatic. There is nothing more important than determining what is God's will by the scriptures. But let us not go beyond what the scripture says when we claim the scripture as our authority. I am not trying to bring controversy but balance. Interesting thing is that the of all the most holy women I have ever known in the church, who were gifted to teach and preach (and some better than many pastors) none of them wanted to pastor. :) |
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55 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85839 | ||
Part 2 of 2 These false teachers are motivated by the same demons that motivated false teachers in the OT, such as Balaam, and Cain. Jude says that there were false teachers that contented with Enoch about the coming of the Lord, saying it would not happen. He also says that these false teachers still teach the same thing that Balaam taught in his counsel. What was that? Balaam told the Moabite king that the way to defeat the Israelites was to get them to compromise by marrying Moabite women. The Error of Cain was more than just killing his brother, but was the counsel behind getting the sons of God (Adam¡¦s Camp) to marry the daughters of men (Cain¡¦s Camp) thus corrupting in a short time the whole world living only Noah and his family left righteous. So the false teachers in Judes day were the Gnostics teaching the same thing, the Nicolaitains who taught a doctrine similar to ¡§you can sin with the flesh and not with the spirit¡¨ thus turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. So the fitting example of a false teacher today that is motivated by the same powers of darkness at work since the days of Cain, are those that teach that we can sin and still go to heaven, or we can indulge in the flesh and just loose some rewards, or that we can commit fornication and our spirit be free. Yes there are false teachers like this and they start up churches every day. This is not anything like the ¡§word of Faith¡¨ camp that you mention. There are some such teachers that annoy me for their brash personalities, but they are not guilty of being a wandering star. Not until they say that Jesus is not Coming again, or that we have to do other things to be saved, like join their group do they cross the line into false teaching. It is not a false teaching because you do not agree with it. ƒº I have found that it does not take any prayer at all to notice what is wrong with others. What I mean is that there is no such spiritual gift as ¡§the gift of criticism¡¨ This comes naturally. We are all very good at it. I challenge you to pray for a person like Joyce Meyers for one week in your prayers, asking the Lord to take away all selfish criticism and give you only His heart on the matter. (That is if it is even something you need to deal with, if not one should keep their mouth closed about another, In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin). If after a week of praying for her on your prayer list, listen to her on the radio or TV through a whole message. Realize you do not have to agree with every tiny thing someone says for them to still be saved just like you. If you find that she is teaching salvation by any other means than Christ alone, or other gross false doctrine, then call her a false prophet and be done with it. I might get annoyed at some of the personalities, circus acts, and even misinterpretations of scriptures I hear from Faith teachers, but I also get restless when I hear the misinterpretation of scriptures from those that despise the Faith teachers. I do not believe that God wants us to claim financial wealth but I do not call those that teach that false teachers. The Lord Knows the Hearts. God knows whether the man really believes that is what the scripture says or whether he is a wolf in sheep¡¦s clothing. We can know if he is a wolf by his fruits. If you know that a preacher lives a holy life and is full of good works, and he teaches such things, he may just really believe that is what the scripture teaches, in which he would be wrong not to proclaim it. If Joyce really thinks Jesus had to suffer in hell, as strange as that sounds to you, that does not make her a false teacher. It may be a misunderstanding she has. But please be careful. I think a greater sin is being committed by the church today than that of ¡§Hyper-Faith¡¨ and that is ¡§Hyper-Criticism¡¨ The Hyper-Faith teacher if sincere will have their teachings (works I cor 3) tried at the Bema seat of Christ, if it is not eternal it will be burned up and they will suffer the loss of rewards (this is not about sin but teachings of teachers such as Paul, Apollos, Peter in that passage) The ¡§Hyper-Critical¡¨ person is in danger of hell fire, as Jesus said on numerous occasions. May we humble ourselves and extend grace to those that we do not agree with while maintaining a holy standard of purity and righteousness. Let us continue to lift up Jesus and leave the controversial subjects to the Lord to judge. |
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56 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85838 | ||
Part 1 of 2 I have not read her books. Mainly because I find her teachings are basic daily walk of faith mostly directed toward the emotional issues women face. I have heard her many times on radio and TV and have never heard her say these things. So in all fairness the teaching she is known for is solid and biblical advice for godly living. To call her a "wandering star" and categorize her as a false prophet is a worse sin than what you might be accusing her of. We all have different views about what the descending into the lower parts of the earth means. In Jude the wandering stars and those that Peter and Jude both speak about are demonized false teachers that are hell bound. If you say that about Joyce you have gone too far in your judgments and I would remind you that this is the kind of judgment Jesus said to avoid. Do not take her views and say she is teaching salvation by anything other than Faith in Jesus Christ, because she isn't. If you differ in your views about what the lower parts of earth means, or what the prophesy of David and repeated by Peter.. "thou will not leave my soul in hell.." means.. then you have that right, but you should not call someone a false prophet that interprets it differently, these are areas that are not so clear as you imagine that they are to you. I cannot really tell you for sure what they mean or what "1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" means. I have a view, but it is not the only one. And I do not call those that disagree with me on that issue a false teacher. This kind of fundamentalism is far from the heart of Christ. If you listen to Joyce Meyers for a complete teaching, if you are born again yourself, you will bear witness with her spirit that she is your sister in the kingdom of God and regardless of your difference of interpretations on the mysterious issues, you will find she does not preach anything about the “descending” when sharing the gospel with the lost. Her invitations to the lost are simple and straight forward, repent, and believe on Christ and what He has done for you on the Cross. She does not go beyond that in her altar calls. As many times as I have heard her on TV or radio which has to number in the hundreds living in Dallas all my life, I can tell you that unless you had posted these partial quotes I would have never known she believed that. I want to make one final point. I am sure that if I searched the writings of any teacher alive today I would find something I think is a gross misinterpretation but I am not going to call them a false teacher unless they are saying that Jesus is not God in the Flesh, or saying that you can be saved some other way besides faith in Jesus Christ alone. Let us remember in our "false righteous indignation" (yes there is such a thing) that with what measure we judge others (especially in the church) with that same measure shall we be judged. If we declare a person a false teacher for a controversial area of interpretation, then we will be declared a false teacher when we say something about a scripture that is not 100 percent accurate. Remember we see through a glass darkly, all of us even those that write books to "expose" the teachers they do not agree with. May we be careful to judge nothing (from our own faulty opinions) before the time. 1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. The passage about wandering stars and false teachers… Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. Is declaring eternal damnation for those that are such. If you read all of this passage and compare it with Peters reference of the same group you find there are certain patterns or similarities. (continued on next post) |
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57 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85752 | ||
'According to a recently published interview with free-lance writer Ken Walker, however, Meyer contradictorily denies ever believing or teaching that Christ was born again in hell.(9) Maybe she realized it was error and changed her mind? I don't know if she believes this way, but it is possible she might have been confused by other teachers using the word in a persuasive way (but mistaking the meaning of "Firstborn") and that she has changed her views. Let's not write off those that are convinced they see something in the scriptures and are willing to take a stand on it. I respect a person that is willing to stand on what they think is scripture to the point of being maligned as a heretic over those that take a stand for things that are not in scripture so they will not get kicked out of their denomination. |
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58 | she brought forth her children? | Is 66:12 | Scribe | 85621 | ||
Please meditate on Isaiah 66, that is where the revelation is at, not anything I wrote. :) God Bless You as You Study It. | ||||||
59 | Would they had of believed? | Mark 15:34 | Scribe | 85606 | ||
I am glad you are being blessed by the Word of God. | ||||||
60 | Don't understand Jesus's view on alcohol | Prov 20:1 | Scribe | 85381 | ||
Acts22 You state "There is little doubt that our Lord Jesus drank wine at His Passover supper" Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. Mark 14:23-25 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. Matthew 26:27-29 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. You know I have not researched this before now, I always thought it was clear that Jesus did not drink wine at the Lord's Supper. |
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