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121 | Cain and Seth's wives descended from who | Genesis | Scribe | 45389 | ||
Yes this was always so obvious to me that I was never stumped by this question the first time I heard it. When I heard the question often repeated I realized that these people did not read the bible. Those that think it is a hard question to answer are being silly. I found out years later that it was presented in the Scopes Monkey trials in America as some sort of good point. I was surprised to learn that the defense did not answer it with simplicity as it is obvious that after through hundreds of years there were plenty of women to marry. And it is obvious that those that raise the question about marrying relatives do not study the Bible either. For instance if they were going to make it a point then they would use Noah not Cain. There is no question that Noahs sons had children that at least at the beginning had to marry first cousins. And what about Abraham. Remember the reason he thought he could truthfuly say that Sarah was his sister is because he said " she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."Ge 20:12 So what is the point? That Cain should not have married a close relative? Or that they think that Cain found a woman in a land when he got there? Or is the point that Cain went out and found a land called Nod already inhabited? This is not true. Cain started a city and he named it Enoch and then when Moses is telling us about it he tells us it was in the location of what was then called Nod when Moses is writing about it. But it was not called Nod when Cain settled there but in order for the reader to know where Enoch was located Moses tells us it was in the Land of Nod that Cain built a city and called in Enoch. It is obvious that Cain took a wife from Adams camp. Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. |
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122 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44913 | ||
I know that is a common teaching. And I am not saying I know whether it is or isn't the correct application. But using common sense and a fair a logical approach to the text, context, and additional references of these 144,000 I am leaning more toward symbolism everyday. I used to think that the scorpion tailed beasts from the bottomless pit were creatures that go around stinging men, but I am beginning to see something in the OT on where the symbolism came from in which case I see an application that is fits a larger stream of truth than that of hellish animals let loose among men. We say let scripture interpret itself and so we apply many OT passages to the book of Revelation and find understanding. But when it comes to the 144000 we seem to quit trying that approach. We use Daniel and apply it to the beast of Rev 13 and we recieve understanding, but when the scorpion tailed creature show up for some reason few prophecy teachers try to find the OT passage that sheds light on these. It is true that it takes diligent study to understand it but I think the Lord actually wrote it that way. Only the diligent will see the underlying truths here. | ||||||
123 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44378 | ||
If we take the word at face value then it says the 24 elders are from every tribe tongue people and nation. If we take the word at face value it says there was a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet. Do you think there will be a human woman that appears in the last days that will be this person? I think you would agree it is symbolic. If the woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet is symbolic then it might be that there is symbolism here also. | ||||||
124 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44227 | ||
CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST..... And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. So here the 144000 are with the 24 elders. Now in this chapter there is every reason to take it as spiritual. 1) the 24 elders are beyond all question spiritual representation of redeemed people from every tribe people and nation and tongue. So why wouldn't the 144000 be a representation of a larger group since they are seen here at that same place. 2) the Lord is not respector of persons and does not save only men from the Tribulation and exclude women. 3) God does not consider a prophet less of a holy prophet if he is married. So what is the message then and why number all the tribes? Possible answers are that God is trying to tell us that.. a) all saints enter into the True Israel of God which is in the heart b) The numerical message is that ALL of Israel will be saved, 12000 of each tribe and 12 tribes is significant of the fact that the promises of God concerning Israel, (if they turn to Christ) will be fulfilled. c) It will be in this time of Jacobs trouble that Israel as a nation begins to change their religion to embrace Jesus Christ as Lord. There will be those that do not of course but I think there will be national revival that will include the Israeli government, which in Israel's case is critical to obeying God. When that happens certain promises and prophecies will be fulfilled. And they will be COMPLETE, this will be their final counting. The numbers of the OT have to do with this day. You thought those numbers were just about historical data but those numbers in the OT are prophetic. The last numbering of Israel will be when they come in to the kingdom. And God will close the doors afterwards. This numbering is not meant to be literal but a vision that John has of a bigger picture. I have not yet expressed the fulness of this picture, but it is coming to me as I examine the text and pray. May God Bless you in your Study of His Word. |
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125 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44226 | ||
If the 144000 are literal, then the seal on their fourhead must also be literal. I mean if you take the numbering of them to signify that they are literal then the sealing of the forehead which is in the very same sentence of the number must also be literal. If the 144000 is literal, what is the meaning? Does then God only choose men for these 144000? Why would he leave out women? If it is literal does it signify that marriaige or having sex relations with a wife defiles a man? If you spiritualize the idea of the reference to being virgins and not having defiled themselves with women then have you not just flip flopped from a literal application to a spiritual application on a whim with no reference to "like as"? Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; DO you see any connection to this mutlitude and the 144000? Such as both being different representations of the redeemed people. Revelation 7:10-12 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. I want you to notice that the 24 elders are here. In Rev 4-5 we see that the 24 elders are not 24 special men. They are not just 12 apostles and 12 patriarchs, Because they sing a song and they say they are redeemed from every tribe tongue people and nation, so therefore we know they are not just Jews, and we know that there are more than 24 tribes tongues peoples and nations and therefore we conclude God is trying to present to us a vision of a bigger picture, namely that of the priesthood of the believer. So all those ready at his coming are promised to be part of this 24 elder (judges) partaking with Christ in the adminstration of judgement upon the earth. Though that is another topic. Here we see the elders who are spiritual representations of all tongue peoples and nations. This is beyond dispute because that is who they say they are and we cannot argue with them they know who they are..Revelation 5:8-10 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. So I know that it is not yet made manifest that the 144000 in this chapter Rev 7 are spiritual, but we see the 24 elders here and we know that they are. But this is not the only reference to the 144000 Revelation 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Continued.... |
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126 | Stars do cease to exist...Isa 40:26? | Is 40:26 | Scribe | 44094 | ||
I agree. It does not mean not one of them stops shinning. It simply says they do not fail. I take this as that they do not fail in what God intends for them. | ||||||
127 | the ten virgins | Matt 25:1 | Scribe | 44087 | ||
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Romans 9:6-9 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 11:2-5 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. The promise of the salvation of Israel is indeed referring to Israel but only that true Israel who are of faith. God has taken out a people for His name. That does include the gentiles that blieve. The gentile becomes a Jew when he has faith and the jew becomes not a Jew when he does not have faith. God will bring out a people from the Land of Israel but they will not be a seperate people or a new church. There is one church and when God saves a Jew or a gentil they are part of that one church. God is not going to take the church and then deal with the Jew seperately . This is not scriptural but a made up eschatoligical dispenstational view that does not fit at all. God is going to save Israel the same way he saved Israelis in the book of Acts. I personally believe that we all become a part of Israel when we are born again. I believe we are grafted in as paul said. The grafted in part is not less than the tree part. We are one. You cannot really tell a branck that is grafted in. It truely becomes part of the tree. God showed his displeasure in the idea of Jews seperating their fellowship into thier own group seperate from Gentiles by Peters vision and by Paul rebuking Peter when he again thought this way. God is not going to go back to some kind of Jewish elitism in salvation in the end times. This is actually an affront to the Gospel and all that the apostles preached. We are to see God's vision to save jews and by all means preach to them to believe on Jesus. However God is never going back to Judaism not know and not in the Tribulation. The Jews may attempt it, but God will not save any that do it. God will only save those that turn to Jesus as the Christ. Those in Israel that do that recieve the revelation that God is saving all men. DO you really think that in the Tribulation there will be Jews that know Christ and the Love of the Father who will look at the masses around them and say. I wish I could tell you the gospel but it is too late. That will only happen after men die. Only then is it too late. Until then there will never be a saint that is not compelled by the love of Christ to save souls of every race. The 144000 are symbolic. I can proove this if you have hears to hear. I will proove it on my next post. |
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128 | Who were the "sons of God" in Gen 6:4? | Gen 6:4 | Scribe | 43716 | ||
I am not sure why you responded under my note. The purpose of my note was to point out that Adam was called the son of God and that this adds to the idea that the "sons of god" in Gen 6 is the camp of Adam and the daughters of men are of Cains camp. Jesus being called the son of God is different altogether. He was equal with God. | ||||||
129 | Do you disobey this commandment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 43641 | ||
Can you tell me how to keep the sabbath? | ||||||
130 | Do you disobey this commandment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 43619 | ||
No. I do not observe the seventh day of the week as the Jews do. I was born again in jail. I read the Bible with no church influence for 30 months. Based on such passages as Acts 15 I fully understood that such things as sabbath and circumcision were not commanded for gentiles of the church but were prophetic of the heart issues. So I keep sabbath in truth not in outward formalism. I am not guilty of sabbath breaking becuase I rest in being made righteous by the finished work of the cross. The only work I do as a christian that God commands is a work called LOVE. It is not an ordinance or religious observance. This kind or work was described by James when he said that faith without works is dead and then proceeds to give and example of what kind of works he is talking about. He says if you see a man naked you should not say be warm and fed and not give him what he needs to be warm and fed. So works that God accepts are love works as we walk in faith being already made righteous by the finished work on the cross. If I go to church on Saturday and then go home. I do not see how this keeps sabbath. So please anyone that keeps sabbath as the Jews do tell me what you do to keep it. Is it all about what day you go to church? Well then I know many people that keep sabbath because they go to church on Saturday and on Sunday. Do they keep the sabbath? What if they go to church on Saturday just because they love to go so much? I mean what if they do not think about the sabbath, they are just going becuase they love to go to church? Can you comprehend this? Did you know that there are multitudes of holy saints going to church to fellowship with other saints, encourage one another in the Lord, study the Bible, hear the Bible preached, and worship in singing and pray together, who do not ever think of it as a exercise in religious duty, but rather as a walk of Love toward one another and toward God. As a matter of fact the only ones I know that go to church becuase they feel they "have to" to do their christian duty, are backslidden and indifferent towards God the rest of the week. Now living your own life 6 days a week and going to church on sabbath calling it "observing the Lords day" is something a lost person does. I live for God every single day. I worship and sing to the Lord every day. I read my Bible every day. I live each day with the same reverance and commitment to God that I do when I go to church. So what is this idea sabbath keeping people have about "giving it to the Lord" I don't understand. Are they saying they worship and sing to God on that day but not the other 6? Help me understand. What does it mean to sabbath keepers to keep the sabbath. I mean give me an example of keeping the sabbath in your life today. It might be that I am doing it and did not know it. I am often at church on a Saturday. Is it when you evangelize and win souls? I am often doing that on Saturday and every other day. Is it singing to the Lord? Praying? As I stated, I do that daily. Is it getting in a closet and communing with God? I think if you do that only on the sabbath it is a start, but if you want to go all the way in God you will need more than that. Help me understand what is "keeping sabbath" to those that believe you should observe Saturday in a special way. And let me point out that if you go to a relious meeting on Saturday but do not reach out to people in love as God leads you the rest of the week that your faith is without works and dead. James did not list sabbath keeping as a work that demonstrates your faith James listed works of love toward others such as feeding them and clothing them. So what I am saying is that if a man goes to church on Saturday but never does these kind of works that James mentions he would not qualify as having works. May God Bless You in your search for His Heart in the Study of the Word. |
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131 | Do you disobey this commandment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 43605 | ||
Matt 23:34 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: I am not a Jew so I was never under the law, but of the wieghtier matters of the Law, Judgement, Mercy and Faith, this I have been made alive to through the work of the Holy Spirit within which speaks of greater things than a day on the calendar. Those that keep the day on the calendar (and I have yet to recieve an answer from any of the sabbath preachers on how one keeps it) and yet do not walk in love toward those that do not would be straining the gnat and swallowing the camel. Or placing the importance on the wrong truth. |
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132 | eternal security | 1 John 5:11 | Scribe | 43411 | ||
Thank You farout. I appreciate your testimony. God is so good to us and so full of Mercy. I like this verse. Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. To know the Heart of our Father is to Know the Son. The Fullness of His Grace and Truth has been revealed to us through the Son. And in the light of the Justice and Righteousness of God we appreciate what the Son has done for us. As many great writers of old have preached concerning the balance of the LAW and the GOSPEL, it is a wonderful thing to understand the balance between the Judgement of a Holy God and the Mercy extended toward us through Christ. I appreciate the precious price He paid that I might be made clean. The greater the degree of appreciation the less likely a man will go back to wallowing in the mud. I do not have to be reminded of my past sins because we know it is completely forgiven. I do not have to fear falling if I do what Christ has commanded. Then my house is built upon a rock. And faith trusts the Lord to help me continue doing what He has commanded until the final day. There are at least two kinds of fear in the Bible. The fear that is of man, or the powers of darkness, and the fear that is of GOD. I embrace the fear of God for it is a positive fear. Some would rather call it Reverence. OK but to Revere God is not quite strong enough for me. Maybe if they said. Trembling Reverence. Or Awesome Holy Reverence. Or how about the rest of the passage from Exodus 34:7-8 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. “And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.” If fear of God is something a person feels compelled to explain every time they say it for 'fear'(the negative kind) that someone might think they are afraid of God like they are afraid of a Rothwielder then it would be acceptable to say we should have the ..."make haste, and bow your head toward the earth, and worship Him" kind of fear. This fear Comes to God, not runs from God. This fear does not treat God as your bud that is like you, but reverences God with Love and adoration and Wonder that such a Glorious Holy, Awesome, Unlimited God has allowed you to be His Friend and Fellowship with Him because of what Jesus has done. Since I have been born again and read the Bible and lived my life by faith in Christ receiving of His grace and renewal day by day, I have never lived in fear. I used to be afraid before I was saved. Afraid of many things. But since I was saved I have lived in peace and joy and fear of nothing. However I have had episodes of fear of God as you stated. The negative fear. The fear that I was in danger of hell fire. It has been when I have backslidden. And I was so miserable I could not last more than two weeks without breaking down in repentance. I am sooooooo grateful to God for that fear and dread and feeling that I was in danger of hell fire. I often pray that I would never be so calloused as to pass off sin lightly, that if I were to backslide into a sin or lust of the flesh (of the sort that christians should be rid of within 2 months of their salvation,) that if I should ever go back to those sorts of works of darkness, that I would be so afraid of dieing in that state of sin that I could never find any fun in it. Woe to the man or woman that can backslide into the lusts of the flesh and stay there and not feel the hot breath of hell at their neck. Woe to the man who can call light darkness, and darkness light and say 'may the Lord come again soon' while dragging a wagon load of sin behind him. My prayer for all saints is that their conscience always be tender toward everything that is not pleasing to Christ so that with Joy they are instant to repent as soon as the Lord makes it known to them and if they think for a moment ‘they will hold on to it for a little while longer’ that they will get sick to their stomach at the thought of such a henious act and that they would repent of even the thought of that. This is true christian faith and anything else has been constructed by men of corrupt minds. I say these things to edify not to say you are saying anything different. I am convinced that you would agree with me as most here would. May God Bless you in your study of His Word. |
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133 | WHY DOSE IT HAVE TO BE MOSSES AND ELIJAH | Revelation | Scribe | 43265 | ||
If one can understand this verse then they can understand the two witnesses. Zechariah 4:11-14 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. |
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134 | Are women not allowed to be preachers? | 1 Cor 14:40 | Scribe | 43233 | ||
Has anyone ever notices that a woman was made Judge over all Israel? | ||||||
135 | we only barely get into heaven by Jesus | 1 John 5:11 | Scribe | 43162 | ||
1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Consider it like this. The storm of the century is on the way. Nay the storm of the Millenium. And this storm is the Wrath of an infinitly Holy God. Only those that cleave to Christ with the desperation of man tossed on the sea with only a life float to cleave to will survive. The idea is that of the surety of our shelter in this storm but only for those that put their faith in it as it were a desperate clinging to for life. Do we need to fear that God will let us drown if we get slack? Yes. Heresy you say? NO it is called faith! Faith in God must not relax, lest you find your faith shipwrecked. Does that put the emphasis on you? NO it puts it on Faith. The Faith that comes from God is already given, you do not have to ask for more faith or fear you do not have enough. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO USE WHAT YOU HAVE. God bless you in your study of His Word. |
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136 | eternal security | 1 John 5:11 | Scribe | 43158 | ||
Thank you. Once again you are saying the same thing that I am. You are saying that those that LIVE that way habitually do NOT have the promise of eternal life. And this is true. I cringe when I hear doctrines that for anyone listening or reading sound as if the speaker is saying a 'christian' can sin like the world and still go to heaven but loose rewards. I am glad you know that is not true. I agree that no saint can be plucked from the Father's hand. I do wonder sometimes when I hear this quoted why the context is not mentioned His sheep hear his voice and follow him and no man can pluck them from His hand. It seems that if the sheep are not hearing his voice or following him they are not His sheep at all. I suppose my main point is never to cast doubt on the eternal security of the believer, but rather to warn the froward. The coming of the Lord draws nigh and I tremble at the idea of what will happen to some I know who have no sense of danger for their soul and who claim salvation while walking in all manner of sins of the flesh. I see a night and day difference between repenting of sin (and all sin was paid for at the cross) and living in known sin without repenting. If people comfort themselves in their imaginations that they can "fall and repent later" then they are nigh unto cursing. If they are sincere in their repentance, even if they fall a thousand times God will lift them up. Of course what really happens is if they are sincere in their repenting they will get victory over sins a lot sooner than they may think, or it will not take a thousand falls if they are crying out to God to be avenged of their adversary as the widow before the judge in Jesus' parable. The Lord will avenge them and that speedily. It is all about the condition of the heart and that we do have a choice in. Yes we have free will and we can cry out to God this day. And God has established it so that He will not do anything for us unless we ask in faith. Oh I know HE does many things for us that we did not ask for, but this verse still means something and what it means is that we will not fulfill our true destiny until we rise up in fervent faith. James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. I am convinced based on the reading of the Bible that there will be many that will say they are sheep that they cannot be plucked from His hand and Jesus will say, you are a goat and I never knew you, you worker of iniquity. So for argument's sake I agree with all my baptist (and other denominations) brethren that say Once a saint is converted they cannot be lost. But I also hope they will preach to those unconcerned and indifferent souls they see living a life that is wicked that they have not right to claim they are saved or that they are a sheep or that they are in the Father's hand. Why is that important. Because without holiness no man shall see the Lord. God bless you and God bless this forumn for mutual edification and not for fleshly strife. |
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137 | eternal security | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 43122 | ||
See this is where we end up saying the same thing on both sides of the controversy. You say he was never saved in the first place. Why? Because the Spirit of God within you tells you that one that lives like that is not going to heaven. Well we end up at the same conclusion. Only I do not pass judgement whether he ever was part of the true church or not. However I do judge that he is not now part of the church; because of the life style. If we both agree with Paul that he that practices these things will not inherit the kingdom of God (and I think you know the verses I am referring to) then we are in agreement and there isn't any controversy at all. It is when men say things from the pulpit such as "I am telling you, you can live like hell, and still go to heaven, you just might not have any rewards when you get there" (I heard this preaced with my own ears) it is when these kind of statements are made or beleived that the brethren start into the divisions. And it must be that such a division take place when such statments are made, because God always causes the holy to reject such heresy. May God Bless You in your Study of His Word. |
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138 | Take Your Holy Spirit from me? | Ps 51:11 | Scribe | 43109 | ||
Now don't get huffy :) | ||||||
139 | eternal security | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 43075 | ||
But maybe it does make the list. In order to think you (not you but the I use you as the person that thinks this way) have access to heaven while addicted to a moral impurity, you would have to think your idea is true despite what the larger body of scripture seems to say (proud and presumptious), You would go about saying I am saved even though I have this addiction (lying tongue), You lead many weak minds to follow you in the "license to sin" in which they become twofold the child of hell by your example, (shed innocent blood), You get harder and less concerned about your addiction over time and think that you could probably be forgiven carte blanche for other faults so that you think less about them than you use to (deviseth wicked imaginations), you end up playing around with other sins that you were once delivered from (swift to run to mischief) and you go about claiming that you are still saved (false witness) and you argue the point creating cults and denominatioins to seperate from those that say it isn't so (sow discord among the brethren). At least it is worth considering. Tongue in Cheek :) |
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140 | eternal security | 1 John 5:11 | Scribe | 43073 | ||
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