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161 | Can a man know God without a Bible? | Rom 10:17 | Scribe | 41905 | ||
3Jo 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. 1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Ac 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. We know that one must have faith in Christ to be saved. I propose that all those that are truly righteous will find Christ, or God is faithful to lead all those that truly Love God to Christ. |
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162 | Can a man know God without a Bible? | Rom 10:17 | Scribe | 41900 | ||
In adding to the mention of Enoch. I want to say that if you understand faith in Christ and how that the Holy Spirit is real you will know that you can indeed commune with God and have God speak truths to your heart that later you will see written in the Bible and you had not even read it before the Lord spoke it to your spirit man. This is the essence of the new covenant, that we would have a heart of flesh and not of stone, that we would hear a voice saying "this is the way , walk ye in it." This does not mean we have a right to make up wierd doctrines that contradict the Word. When one is yielded to the Holy Spirit and Faith in Christ they will hear the Spirit testify of Christ and make things plain to them. These things will always be in agreement with the written word. If they are not then that person is not being honest about communing with the Lord. It really is that simple. One who says I prayed all night and God told me to divorce my wife and marry the church secretary is not really honest. He either is lying and did not pray, or he did not come to the Lord with a pure heart saying God I will do whatever is pleasing to you and would rather die than willfully go my own way. This person would of course never pray about such a stupid thing in the first place but I use it to dramatize my point. The heart of man is the central theater in this conflict of good and evil and those that have a pure heart will see God. |
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163 | Can a man know God without a Bible? | Rom 10:17 | Scribe | 41897 | ||
Let me clarify. Romans 10 would not contradict what I am about to say. When you think about men who have known God and known Him on a level equaled by few others does not Enoch come to mind? And when we consider that the testimony is that that He pleased God to such a degree that God took him, we know that Enoch had great faith and walked with God according to the testimony. Have you considered that Enoch had no scriptures that we know of. And yet he did have scripture but not the kind we think of. Enoch prophesied of the coming of the Lord with ten thousands of His saints and to execute judgement on the ungodly according to Jude and so we assume Enoch had revelation of the Divine Word, but we assume it was preached, starting from Adam and not written scriptures until Moses. What do you think? Rom 10 is not in contradiction to this as it's emphasis is on preaching as well. Let me qualify my statements. I am a firm believer in the written Word. I don't really have faith for anything I do not read in the scripture. But is it not an interesting concept that in Enochs generation you have men living on earth for lifespans of nearly 1000 years and remaining holy and knowing God such as Noah with no written scripture? Think about it. Men who lived a thousands years! (900 close enough) |
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164 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41877 | ||
I could venture a guess as to how a group should do such a thing, based on the Spirit of God within me and in combination with my knowledge of the Word of God, I am going to guess that if that 900 member church were to meet in homes of smaller groups based on location and there partake of the Lord's Supper and fellowship around a meal and at that time encourage prayer, sharing and some public reading of scripture and the exercise of spiritual gifts as the Spirit willed there would be a great edification and spiritual renewal in their midst. That is one idea, and one that I would have faith for as I see the Word in context. (In addition to meeting together at the larger facility not in place of that.) |
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165 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41873 | ||
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166 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41864 | ||
Thank you Joe for balancing my statements. Not all Seminaries are apostate concerning the faith. And of course teachers are from God, teachers anointed by the Holy Spirit (and that does go beyond mere accumulation of bible facts) who are called and equipped by God not only in knowledge of the Word but also in spiritual gifts of teaching that has that element of imparting the word (in the understanding of the listener whose heart is open) as an operation of God and not simply natural oratory, is to be sought out by those that would grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are not an island and we will not have the full revelation of Christ alone on an island, becuase God has ordained that we recieve the fulness of God in the church and partake of that which each member contributes in his/her God given gifts. So that I cannot say I do not need the hand or the eye or the foot. And yet each saint can have faith and know that God will keep him in the truth if he keeps a repentant and faith filled heart. The Holy Spirit will indeed be faithful to give you checks, alrams, and warnings when even your "Lettered" Pastor is speaking things that are not God's word on the subject. God Bless you ALL. |
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167 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41863 | ||
(continued from previous post) And let me explain "New Light" of course it is not New, but it is most certainly waiting to be "re-discovered" I propose only one example of many but an example that reveals how far we may still need revival if you consider it deeply. Take baptism. We have so many varied methods and means of baptism. We may be assured that our method is the right one based on the scriptures. And yet know one seems to follow the scriptural pattern at all. The scripture shows men being baptized at the time of believing in Christ. So that you get the impression and most scholars agree they did indeed go to the river and baptize the same day if not the same week after believing in Christ. Today even in our protestant congregations we save it until a convenient time when family and friends, and photographers can be present. What is this and from whence did it come? It came from reviving what was lost in the Dark Ages by the oppressive rule of the RCC, but you see how it has never really been fully restored. So it is with our methods of taking the Lord's Supper. Even those that are trying to be the most like the New Testament book of acts they know who still use the little trays of crackers and cups and pass it around in the church like an RCC ceremony. This is not how it was done in Acts and yet we keep doing it this traditional way? What difference does it make if your heart is focused on the meaning of the Lord's Supper? Maybe none. But it is an example of how we still have room to be "reformed" back to the pattern of the book of Acts and teachings of Christ. I could use many other examples such as doctrinal truths that we propagate because we were told by other teachers and books that such a thing is so and yet when we look for it in scripture it is not there. For instance, I know this one is not believed by even half of Protestants but Those that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church all say we disappear in a moment or a twinkling of an eye. (I lean toward pre-trib but am not dogmatic about it) and yet the text says nothing about disappearing. It says we are CHANGED and rise. Not a hint about turning invisible. But it has been said so often and by so many "respected" prophesy teachers that no one questions it. Is it wrong to take a stand and say something "New" such as we do not disappear. Yes we change, and yes we rise, but there are scriptures that hint at the world seeing it, and none that say we vanish. If it is easy to see how this type of "new" understanding is possible (especially about such things as eschatology, of which Luther and others did not deal with exhaustively) then you should be able to see how we do indeed have room to grow in revelation not that opposes solid foundational doctrine but builds on it and brings us further into the light, as we press toward the mark of the High Calling of God in Christ Jesus. If I pastor and every time someone comes to the faith of Christ and is Born Again my church has a Baptism at the end of a service would I be different than the last 1700 years of church history? Probably. Would I be unorthodox? Was is John Locke that said " every man is orthodox unto himself and his own church?" If you measure orthodoxy by the book of Acts, I dare say I would be the most orthodox church I know. If I have the congregation meet and eat a supper in the spirit of fellowship and communion in the Holy Ghost and at the time of the supper we partake of the Lords Supper observance I would be much more in line with the book of Acts than the trays and pixie cups. Do I really think that is a big deal? I think it is a good example that though we may have come a long way since the Reformation, there may be still things we are blind to as it relates to our understanding in the scripture becuase we walk in the tradition of our fathers (church teachers) rather than the clear text of scripture. God Bless you All. |
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168 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41862 | ||
All good points Joe. And yet to be unwilling to heed the Word of God in Context (not some half verse used to propagate a false teaching) because your sect (whatever it might be titles in Christendom) says they don't believe that way is simply loving your sect over God. If your group establishes their doctrine on all the scripture and you have a heart after God you will indeed agree with your group (church affiliation) If your group uses certain verses and yet does not use all of them and so teaches a certain thing that is in error, it does not matter if they have been teaching it for 500 years. The length of time does not give authenticity to their doctrine. If it were then the Roman Catholic Church would have the greatest argument for authenticity, (as they think they do). Consider what I am saying and the Lord give you understanding in all things... When we study church history often we are reading the history of that which was not the church at all. We call it the church because it is the "visible" church observed by the political affairs of men, but it is no more the church we are reading about than reading the annals of the Pharisees would have been reading about the true God fearing and righteous Jew of New Testament times. We must take that into consideration glean what we can but always let the Spirit of God within us lead us into all truth. There were those of the true church behind the scenes in the middles ages (of which we have some history but not much,) that never wrote a book or annals for us to discuss. These are those that never had to come out of Roman Catholicism because they had enough of the Spirit of God in them to never join it in the first place. These are those that were not involved in the great debates because they had better more profitable things to do than to argue and strive with the saints, these are they that walk in peace and go where so ever the Spirit leads them and these are they that we will meet and hear about in heaven whose legacy is greater than that of Luther and yet they have no history books. (continued next post) |
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169 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41857 | ||
Joe, Thank you for your comments and interest in the topic. In answer to your question "Please explain this anointing...what exactly is it, and where is the Scriptural support for your view of what it is? " I posted this verse and refer to that which the verse states. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. This is a foundational promise for all believers and gives us great confidence in growing in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Even as we listen to teachers. I appreciate your concerns in clarifying that all reformed preaching is not as I have discribed and of course I agree. There are men of God in probably every type of denomination that are greater in faith and maturity than I. And as God has given each of us light we must walk in it by faith and with our whole heart. God bless you all! |
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170 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41767 | ||
We know that Paul was educated for his day and we know that education is valuable. As a matter of fact I am convinced that the more a person reads such things as the classics in literature and grows in other knowledge such as logic, math, etc, they are going to find the reading of the Bible yield more understanding because they are going to use logic and expect the Bible to read in context and other such common sense techniques such as searching where else the subject is discussed in the Bible. Yes I know the theolgical words for these concepts but why use them when only those that are Theological students would understand them. And if you have to define the word to your audience everytime you use it, what is the point of creating a word to encapsulate a bigger thought when you are constantly explaining both the bigger thought and the word. ;) I am not saying a saint is sinning in going to a Theological University, but have you noticed that we have no biblical example of it in the New testament? I do not belive a minister should be ignorant of the Word or theology, but have you noticed that men like Timothy and others in the scripture seemed to be passionate students of the scriptures, full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and taught by others in the church that were knowledgeable in the word but the emphasis is always on the student praying, having faith, studying the scriptures with faith in the anointing within him. The Holy Spirit. The reason the church as a whole in America is weak in preaching in the pulpit is that the ministers do not pray and study the Bible as they should after graduation. I would dare say most ministers across denominational lines hold degrees and can argue their side of Calvin or Armenian and yet their preaching is aneamic. They tell us jokes to warm up the crowd and deliver sermons with three points and a conclusion that rhymes and most of the time they have spent more time delivering the 30 minute sermon than they did praying for it. They go on like this year after year and have no clue the reason their congregations are drying up is that the flock is hungry for a fresh WORD from God, a challenge from the word of a "prophet" to call them to dedication to God. They are hungry for truths expounded upon in the Bible that will bring them more into the image of Christ and they are not afraid to be rebuked, they want it, they ask for it. Church History has value, and so does reading Calvin (howbeit I cannot imagine getting through all his volumes in my lifetime :) ) However the heart of the saint must be that they have total faith in the Anointing and that God can and will lead them into all truth. I know that a man is going to be affected by other teachings he has heard, but you can still make a conscience effort when you approach scripture to say "God I want to see things clearly, if I am having a wrong understanding becuase I have heard things said a certain way and it is not in the bible let me see that and agree with your word instead." Can it be that a person reading the Bible today with that heart might see something that is not taught in Bible School? Absolutely. Do not think that all mysteries have been made plain. The word has many truths to yield to you if you have faith. Not contradictions to other parts of the Bible but confirmations and more light. And the flock is hungry for this. About the last thing the flock wants or needs is to hear Calvinism. :) | ||||||
171 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41766 | ||
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Now we know that the Bible does not contradict itself. 1 Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. So we know that God has placed teachers who have a gift to take the word of God and teach it even as I am doing right now this very moment. But nevertheless the above verse..."But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you:" is still true. So what does it mean? If I have faith and walk by faith in the Spirit I can hear God and know what a verse of scripture really means and how I am to live it. If a man is speaking the same thing by the Spirit that dwells within him I will bear witness with it and we will agree spiritually. This is the heritage of all saints. Now some will not have faith for this. They want a man that has a theological degree to tell them what verses mean. But I find that idolatrous. If you love and trust God and read the Bible you can understand it. Is there value in Theological Universities? Maybe if they teach the Bible and the truths or themes that run throughout the Bible then they are very valuable. Do you have to attend one to know the truths in the Bible? Of course not. I believe in educaton not only in theology but in all the sciences and many of the arts. God ordained learning and we should apply ourselves diligently to pursue knowledge. However when it comes to walking in the light of God's eternal truths (not mathematics) Universities often to more to hinder a young man's spiritual growth than helping it. Why? becuase they often cast doubt on the Divine inspiration of the Word and many other such hienous sins. And they have a fine way of constructing nice sounding explanations about how this or that writer wrote this for this and that reason, and to hear them explain it the book is full of mistakes. Yes I know there are some very good Theological universites out there that reverance God's word as God's word, but they are rare. Seems I heard a story about Billy Graham having to leave a school that was trying to teach such doubtful nonsense. |
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172 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41706 | ||
Understand that in 20 years of soul winning I have never seen a person that was born again from a non-church background that believed that some were going to be saved and some were not and the ones that were have no choice in the matter as it relates to having faith when God is calling, or the ones that are lost have no hope of having faith. The only time I have met those with this sort of understanding of the elect are when they have read Calvin or some other writer that after many many convincing words they are indoctrinated to that view. When people take the desert Island approach and forget everything they have been told, they will usually see it like this... God mad man to be saved and live with Him forever. Man fell. God could have wiped it all way but he started over again with Noah. We know some will not repent and they go to hell God does not want anyone to go to hell but wants all to be saved. But since some will not, God does not wipe them out instantly but uses them for His glory, Pharoah is an example. God was greatly glorified in the method in which He delivered Israel, and when He was done he drowned Pharoah in the sea. Pharoah was still to blame, Pharoah hardened his heart and so God hardened Pharoah's heart in judgement. God is not willing that any perish but that all come to eternal life through faith in His Son God predestined Jesus to die for man so that man might be save. All those that believe that enter into the company of the elect. Those that scoff at it and pass it off as a light thing are destined to destruction. Can they get out of their destiny? Yes we were all children of wrath, but we were translated out of darkness into light. Consider babies. Do you thing babies that die go to heaven? Please say "of course" If a person of this no free will camp believes what they say they will tell you that some babies go to hell and some to heaven. Now if you think God sends babies to hell you do not know God. end of story. God is Love and Justice, and Mercy and Righteousness and Holiness and Infinitely Good, and no babies go to hell. Now if babies are all part of the elect and we were all babies, and at some time during our growing up we become children of wrath because of what we do then it must be that 1) you can be the elect then not be then be again or 2) being the elect applies to all those that put their faith in the one Predestined from the foundation of the earth to supply salvation for mankind and now all those who will may come. Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. :) Makes you think God put that in the last chapter of the Bible Because he knew there would be those of this false doctrine trying to use predestination and no free will to confuse saints in the last days. |
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173 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41705 | ||
There has probably been more posted in chat rooms and theological forums on this subject than almost any other. First I suggest you read through the Bible and mark any passage of verse that would shed light on the concept of being predestined to either wrath or salvation. When you collect all the verses and not Just Rom 9 (which was quoting many OT passages so you really should study the OT passaged along with Rom 9) then you form your opinion based on all of these verse. Both sides, will passionately argue their side of the debate. One reason this is such a popular topic? Theological Universities. One of the main problems with Theological Universities is that they are often guilty of spending enormous amounts of time, effort, and energy teaching students about the Great debates in church history, (Calvin, Luther, Arminan (not sure about that spelling) and so the student comes out of the school one one side of the debate or the other and having formulated his reasons. Then he goes about trying to convert christians that are already living for the Lord in faith. If on the other had the student forgets about the Great debates he has been studying and arguing all semester and just reads his Bible with the view of knowing God he will find he has a passion for the Lost and he will find himself preaching to the lost about the love of Christ and he will notice that the Spirit of God and the pure Gospel message at least "assumes" the listner is destined to be one of the elect. Or in other words the student will release it is not his job to determine who is the elect and who isn't so he will go about preaching as though all can be. Thus even the one of the view that man has no free will as it relates to salvation will preach like the lost people he is talking to do have free will, so then.. what difference does it make. If you preach the gospel to the lost as though all can be saved, and the person on the free will side of the isle preaches that way too, then forget about the debate and win the lost! Then there is the issue of the student that does not preach the gospel but instead spends all his time debating with the saved. This person has a messed up heart that needs fixing by God whether he thinks he is predestined or no. Another thing is to use the Desert Island and Faith approach to Bible Study. That is.. read the bible as though you really believe God is in you and that you are born again (this is of course to the christian) and read the bible as if you were on a desert Island with just the Holy Spirit to guide you and read it throughly. If you come away without any human influence in a view of "some are going to be saved whether they like it or not" (exageration mine :) or if you come away with a view that God created some people (or most people) to populate eternal flames and they can do nothing to avoid their destiny. Then you have to live with that view. However I trust you will see it differently. |
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174 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41695 | ||
John, I am sure you have probably engaged in many conversations both on the internet and face to face with fellow christians that disagree with the theology you propose here. I am not wanting to debate it as there are enough of those threads already. But I just wanted to point out one of your verses. Eph 2:1-5 "we were by nature children of wrath" says that we were the children of wrath becuase of what we did. "we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath" so we see that the wrath of God is upon those that DO those things (not those that are born) Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. (because the do the sins he listed not becuase they are born) Coloss 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (He gave them over becuase they chose to not retain God in their knowledge as an willful act of rebellion) Also the favorite of the Hyper Predestination view is that about Pharoah being made for destruction but they forget to read the source of which Paul is quoting and the story says Pharoah hardened his heart after the first encounter with Moses then after that it says God hardened His heart. The point is Yes God will harden a mans heart as judgement. This happens when a person continually chooses to do evil in the face of knowledge, that person can loose hope of salvation becuase they will never let the Holy Spirit convict them of sin. It is not as complicated as academic theologians wish it were. I am glad that I am predestined for glory, but not because God decided I would be saved and someone else would not, having nothing to do with how we live. (that would be to say that God decided he would create certain people to live life and then populate eternal hell where they could be in torment for all eternity) That is such a gross misinterpretation of the text about .. Rom 9:22-24 "What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? " It is understood as saying, "God does not just wipe out satan and sinners that will never repent, becuase He has a plan and in the End he will let these horrible sinners that kill christians and hardent their hearts not only to God but to any human decency continue living, until 1) His purpose is accomplished 2) some He is even having patience with enduring their hard heartedness until they come to repentance, because some will. |
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175 | Please disprove rapture theory!? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41592 | ||
First of all. Read these passages... 1 thess 4: 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 cor 15 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? 56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law. 57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. The promise is clear. There will be a generation of saint that will not die (no one knows when this will happen) but instead they will be changed into a glorified body and they will rise and meet the Lord in the Air. The part I do not see in the scripture is when one who says he believes in a rapture of the Church says we disappear in the twinkling of an eye. It usually takes me at least 30 minutes to get him to agree that that is not what the text says. It says we are changed in a twinkling. There is no mention of becoming invisible to the world. This is so ingrained in the rapture believer that they often find it difficult to read the the text correctly and they go about saying "we will disappear in a moment" that is how powerful unbiblical teaching can be, We end up viewing the text we read with "doctrinal glasses on" we even see words that are not there. What difference does it make? My hope is not only in rising but a certain vindication of the righteous holy persecuted saints as they rise in glory and the world looks on in awe. |
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176 | where was Jesus? | Eph 4:8 | Scribe | 41591 | ||
Thanks. You know this is better than I had thought about before. This is an instance of a resurrection, prior to the last day. They were raised bodily? This is more evidence of a rapture of the church prior to a final resurrection of all. I mean if we see hear instances of groups raised then we see that God has in His plans and eternal foresight ordained that there be groups of people that are raised while the affairs of earth continue for a while. If this was the case for these saints why is it hard for some to think God has planned for a church to be raised and rise and those alive changed and rise while as yet the affairs of earth continue for a while before the end? |
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177 | What is the Lord teaching in this verse? | Matt 7:6 | Scribe | 41479 | ||
I see the dogs as demonic powers. You see the pharisees that would take the holy things of God that were spoken by Christ and the apostles and rend them with gainsaying and stubborn rejection of the truth were acting like wild dogs and hungry pigs in the way they ignored the precious truths that had the power to give them eternal life, ignored it like it was idiocy not worth their mental time, and they then try to kill the messenger. The same teaching is given when Jesus sends us out to win the lost, He tells us that if a house will not recieve you then you are to let your peace return to you and go on. The point is that if I am going to share precious truths of God and the Word of God with a person that is hostile to the things of God and takes on that murderous personality when you begin to discuss the scripture, it is best to just move on to a more worthy audience. There are those that have no interest in God at all and hate you for trying. You are supposed to be lead along by the Holy Spirit and He will lead you to those that are more open. Theses dogs and swine do not know they are demonized and the dog and the swine is the demon behind the person's hostil attitude. There is no attempt to call someone of another denomination or doctrinal belief a dog or swine that would really make you the dog and swine if you were doing that. That being said. Condsider the subject of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that operated in the church in the book of Acts. Paul spoke at length of these in 1 Cor 12-14 If I were to be studying what is there in these passages and I noticed that tongues is available to all believers that are filled with the Holy Spirit and I am sharing the scriptures about this with a christian believer and he becomes hostile and angry and resorts to quoting half verses about Love is the greatest gift and we don't need to speak in tongues today , and then descends into blasphemous statements of saying tongues is of the devil, etc. and if this person has no desire to see what scripture you have about tongues but plugs his ears and and begins to chant "I hate tongues, I hate tongues, I hate tongues" (just kidding but you get my point) this brother is not a dog or a swine, but the principle hear still applies. You should not even discuss it with him because you do not want the Holy things of God such as the Holy Spirit Gifts that are so wonderful and precious that He chose to impart to the church to be maligned and rent by the ignorant and prejudiced words even of a fellow christian brother. So you just move on and live a holy life of service to Christ being a witness empowered by the Holy Ghost and operating in the Gifts as the Spirit Wills. If in time your relationship grows with the brother they may see your good works and glorify God and ask more about what scriptures you were talking about and be more open to the subject as dealt with in the Bible. But until they get to that attitude you cannot and should not be discussing these Holy things with them for their own good becuase you Love them and do not want to provoke them to speak antagonistically about the Holy Spirit Gifts. |
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178 | Romans 8:18-27,31-34 | Rom 8:26 | Scribe | 41424 | ||
Paul had more to say on this in other parts of the New Testament. Since Paul said in 1 Cor 14 that he prayed in the spirit when he prayed in tongues it stands to reason that one of the ways that the Spirit intercedes for us is when we are praying in tongues which is a gift of the Holy Spirit made available to all believers...Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; ..... so when a believer prays in the spirit as Paul did and as Jesus said all could and as the christians that were saved in the book of acts did it does then apply to this verse that when the believer is praying in the Spirit in tongues that if the Spirit intercedes for us at any other time He certainly is doing it when we pray in tongues as well. |
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179 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41385 | ||
You may have misunderstood my words. I am dealing with three thoughts now. 1) Eden 2)Mount of God 3)Stones of Fire What is Eden? We know about the Garden. What other Eden is there in scripture. What is the mount of God. As you listed they all refer to the same mount which today is where the Islamic mosque is and is also where the Jews want to build their temple (there is a tradition among the Jews that on this mount is the foundation stone where God made Adam) 3)What is the stones of fire? |
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180 | why would god want blood not fruit | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41373 | ||
I think that phebe is possibily referring to a common misunderstanding (or at least I suspect it is a misunderstanding) concerning the passage about Cain and Abel. Many bible preachers for many decades have preached that God did not accept Abels sacrifice because it was the fruit of the ground and He did accept Abel's becuase it was of the firstling of the flock and an animal whose blood was shed. The text actually reads like this... Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. The text does not say God would not accept the fruit of the Ground. The text does not say that God did not accept it because it was the fruit of the Ground. The text does say that Cain did not do well. If I look at the Law I see that God gave commands for offering the fruit of the ground. So we know that God did accept it. We also can read in Malachi 2:13 3 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth [it] with good will at your hand. so we see that God would not accept an offering if the attitude was not right. The context of Malichi has them saying "that serving the Lord in offerings was a weariness and a drudgery" So we have scriptures that shed light on why Cain's offering was not accepted. He had a bad attitude. This again is evident by how he reacts when God rebukes him. Cain could have repented and mastered the sin and satan that crouched at the door of his heart, but instead he opens up the door with ANGER and wrath and lets the demons have their way and sin masters him. This application is applicable to your life today. If you go to church and do "christian" things becuase you think you "have" to but it is all becoming a chore to you, then it is time to get your heart right by faith and get back into the JOY that can be yours. |
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