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NASB | 1 Timothy 2:12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet [in the congregation]. |
Subject: can a women preach and teach men |
Bible Note: Interesting, I am in agreement with the statement that I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I was a sinner, but now I am saved. Paul knew he was forgiven and made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. This message is not obsolete but a very present truth. If this is the best this writer can do to try and paint Joyce as a false prophet he is not doing a good job. As a matter of fact I am finding more fault with the few statements of the writer than with Joyce. "'Like others in the Word-Faith camp who are uneducated, untrained and unskilled in doctrine and systematic theology" What constitutes "educated, trained and skilled in doctrine and systematic theology?" Fishermen? or those that attend the Univiersities of the writers liking? If the authors of the doctrine were untrained, unskilled, and uneducated, then we have no right to demand such from the readers or preachers. The bereans searched the scriptures to see if these things were so. I recommend the writer of the article do the same. 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. All Joyce is saying, is that we are all sinners in the sense that we have all sinned, but if you are born again and a partaker of the divine nature you have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lusts, God does not look at you as a sinner but as Cleansed by the Blood of Christ and God calls you the righteousness of God in Christ. If God says that about me, who am I to argue against God and call myself a miserable sinner. Yes I was, and at times I feel like I still am, but I am not, I am a new man in Christ, born again and forgiven, my sins are removed as far as the east is from the west and Most born again saints do believe this. So if the writer thinks that those that dare call themselves the righteousness of God in Christ are false teachers, then he has condemned the whole church as I know it. This type of rhetoric, comparing Joyce with the false prophets of Zech 13 is as extreme as any extremism he accuses Joyce of. And so he will be judged with the same judgement he dishes out. His lack of grace toward a fellow saint only prooves his sainthood is questionable. His interpretation of what Joyce meant is in error. I have heard her preach many times that her teaching or any other teaching of man is not divinely inspired as the Word is. This writer is simply leaping on a poor choice of words to try and say Joyce is meaning something beyond what she said. This writer is Lutheran? My wife grew up in a Lutheran church, not trying to say they are all alike but the one where she grew up, she never knew anyone that was saved. When she was born again she had to leave the Lutheran Church. In the church she attended the Sunday School teacher taught teen girls it was ok to get abortions. I can get an idea why this pastor might be so surprised by this teaching. The church my wife went to knew nothing about being born again. They were sinners alright. Just as much as anyone else. They liked keeping their faith private and they did a good job, as far as she could tell they did not have any. I have hung around with Lutherans,and I have hung around with saints that attend Joyce Meyer's meetings. Give me the Joyce fans anyday, they are definitly saved and on the way to heaven. I could not see any fruit of that in the Lutheran Church. Don't be offended by my statements, they are simply the observation of one Lutheran Church (or a few others I have come in contact with in my life) I am sure there are some out there that are different. And my point is simply that I can find much more doctrinal error in the Lutheran Churches I came in contact with than in Meyer's. How about the Lutheran Pastor that tells a grieving couple he will not bury their baby because the baby was not baptized? Let us use righteous judgement and walk in Love. Someone asked about modern Pharisees or Scribes who are guilty of the error Jesus warned us against, I think it is these type of debate mongers, and cult watchers that fit the description. They strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. |