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1 | based on 1 Corinthians 5 | 1 Cor 5:5 | Scribe | 104827 | ||
I have read the thread joel and it demonstrates what I was saying. It is best that we do neither respond toward the individual posting nor in defence of any post that seems to have taken something wrong. To get the most out of the form and to contribute with a spirit of excellence, my suggestion is that we always post as though we are writing a book realizing that our audience is everyone and not a particular individual. Your original post was excellent. The truth was pure and the spirit of which you wrote was proper grief for the new seeker. The truth of your statement concerning waiting on God for the Holy Spirit to convict the new believers as they grow is a very important message. Many saints can testify to how they grew in the Lord and were convicted about certain things Months after they were born again things that they never thought about until God was ready to deal with it. It is not the Love of Christ that would try and clean someone's life up who just started coming to church. Of course if they ask then we should give them scriptures, but it would not be the Spirit of the Lord to not fellowship with them if they were expressing a desire to be changed. The Lord is patient with us we better be patient with them. As you mentioned Paul said it was those that did not repent that had to be dealt with more severely. Those that claim it is not sin. But even an new believer might say such a thing becuase of the addiction or the struggle. Isn't that what satan always has used to get us to trip up in our own lives.. he says "it is not sin" it is ok.. and we indulge.. then regret. Then he accuses and we are crippled. Until we return in faith with fresh resoltution to not fall for that lie again. We cannot always understand all the meaning and intent and background of what someone is saying so we often misunderstand and then answer accordingly. The person takes offence becuase they have been misunderstood and the next thing you know you have posts going back and forth accusing and being accused..and who is the author of that? I think if we always posts in generalities such as.. " I a do not know your particular situation, and I am not accusing you of wrong doing" But I have noticed that there is a need in the church for christians to be sensitive to how new believers take time to grow.. etc " Rarely will one take offence to such a post and if they do feel compelled to defend themselves nothing really needs to be said on your part for fear of feeding any debates. Therefore. Keep up the good work brother, your original post on this thread was excellent. I am glad you are adding rich content to the form. Here are my rules that I follow in all debates. 1) Do not debate. (I do not agree with debating) 2) Do not strive (the servant of the Lord must not strive) 3) Do not tell people they are wrong. It is better to say "The bible says etc..." or to say.. "I may have misunderstood you.. or.. I have noticed that there is a need in the body of christ to understand such and such." More people find it easier to hear such words than "You are wrong.. or "You are in error" or other confrontational words. 4) Do not be dogmatic about your views on scriptures that are shrouded by 2000 years of cultural differences and customs. Such as exactly what Paul meant when he said a woman should cover her head. Of course you may think you know for certain but it is better to always be humble in our understanding that on many things we see through a glass darkly. 5) Realize we are not called to make everyone agree with us. It is enough that we are found worthy by the Grace of God to even utter his Holy Name, and to share the good news of salvation through faith in Christs sacifice for us. Let us be content to utter the good news even one time and not think we have to make everyone agree. We can utter it and go our way rejoicing that we were used by God, we who were once His enemies. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift. May God Bless you as you study His Word. |
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2 | based on 1 Corinthians 5 | 1 Cor 5:5 | Scribe | 104788 | ||
joel k. Let me encourage you not to give up on the forum. Don't get me wrong I think you should give up on debates of any kind. But don't give up on posting your thoughts about a verse. Approach the forum differently. Don't respond to anyone that does not agree with your answers. Just post your thoughts and associate them with a verse. Over time this database will be a blessing to generations to come. Think of the potential. Sure there will be lots of various teaching and doctrines. But this is an open forum. The way to keep a peaceful spirit and not be grieved is to ignore those that attempt to draw you into debates. If they tell you you are wrong, just say God bless you. and do not respond or defend your answers. I am interesed in your answers to questions on scriptures. I don't even read those posts that people give trying to tell someone they are in error. So don't worry about them they expose themselves when they attempt to tear down another believer. It is tempting for human nature to defend our positions and call it "contending for the faith" but in reality it is raw pride. If the Lord has revealed something to you share it in a spirit of meekness and humility, never dogmatically about things that have not been fully exhausted by any man much less us, and then do not even respond to those that post replies that attack your position. This is extremely difficult to do for many of us. But it will make us much better people if we learn to "turn the other cheek" and "answer not again." It will make us like Christ. God Bless you and feel free to email me as well. scribefaith@hotmail.com |
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3 | Knowing God's will under short notice | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 88189 | ||
I suggest a book by Richard Bolles, Called "What Color is Your Parachute" This book will help change your thinking and show you how to get a job where you want to live, in the type of work you want to be in, making the kind of money you want to make. This book is full of statistical proof that what it says works and the familiar methods that most people use do not. I can vouch for the methods becuase I used them to change careers and got the exact job I was looking for in my city when others said no one was hiring. The job I got was not in the newspaper or on the web, I followed the logical common sense methods in the book. God's will is not as limited as we sometimes think. God's will can be done in your life if you move out of state for a job or if you stay where you are at and get a job. I am in the market and I have had some opportunities come my way lately all out of state, I turned them down without prayer. Why? becuase I am not desperate. I know I am where I am supposed to be and I am do not need to be praying about moving. I will know when of if I am supposed to move somewhere and it will not be because of a job but because of a Call of God. You can know when you have a CALL OF GOD. It is not something we are not sure of. So until God Calls you to a radical move, seek a job where you are and don't believe the reports that there are no jobs. You only need one. It takes just as much prayer for God to lead you to that job he has for you in your city than it does to pray about moving. Get that book, it will tell you exactly how to do it. God Bless You. |
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4 | Heavens pass away and earth destroyed ? | 2 Pet 3:10 | Scribe | 88184 | ||
The Bible is not written as a riddle. It does take a diligent study to mine the deeper truths, but even those deeper truths follow a logical progression of foundational truth and what I like to call "truth streams" that run through out the whole bible. There are many prophesies in the OT that were literally fulfilled and so we would be safer to apply literal fulfilment to all prophesy. If there are spiritual fulfilments then there will be something obvious written to make us understand that. For instance, we do not really think that there are two olive trees in the Heavenly Holy Place but that they are symbolic representations of something the Lord has purposely hidden and only revealed what he wanted to reveal. We do not think that Jesus will appear as a bloody lamb sacrificed for the World, but understand that John was given this view as a temporary vision to explain a deeper truth. Previously John had seen Jesus as a glorified Son of God whose face shone as the sun. Both are true, both are symbolic. We do not comprehend the heavenly things that are not of this world. However when we read of 100 lb hailstones falling to the earth and men cursing God because of the plague of the hail we do NOT feel a necessity to interpret it as a deeper meaning of something else becuase it has more to do with judgement on the earth and we can understand earthly things. Some would attempt to spiritualize the hail, but the logical mind usually does not feel it necessary to do so. However we all feel the need to harmonize the Glorified Son of God John saw in Rev 1 with the Lamb slain he sees in Rev 4. When we read that the earth will dissolve with a fervent heat, and we are told to live soberly and holy in the light of that coming day.. this tells us it is a literal cataclysmic judgement of literal fire, The Holy Spirit is not seen as the Judge, Jesus Christ is presented as the Judge, the Holy Spirit is the Convictor, the Convincer, The Holy Spirit Judges only as it relates to conscience, He Convinces us.. Convicts us.. Judges us concerning that which is pleasing to God or not.. Jesus has been given the task of Judging the World for sin, which Jesus did not do at His first Coming but will do at His second Coming. The saints will partake with Him in judging the world in some manner. May God Bless You as You Study His Word. |
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5 | Anyone have thoughts about Jabez? | 1 Chr 4:9 | Scribe | 86623 | ||
LOL. It might Hank. A title is often the reason for why a book sells or doesn't. "Where did Cain Get His Wife"? Just might be a hot item. | ||||||
6 | What is God's name? | Exodus | Scribe | 86617 | ||
Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. Genesis 26:24 And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake. Exodus 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exodus 3:13-14 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. The Truth is that God does not go by just one proper name like Tom, Joe, or Harry. He Gives Covenant Personality Names as the answer to the question What is your name. God is GOD, He is the I AM. I AM what? Whatever you need God to be in your life to make you perfect and to equip you to be in the image of Christ, He is that to you. Do you need Health? He is the I AM YOUR HEALTH, Do you need Faith.. He is the I AM YOUR FAITH.. Do you need to be able to speak boldly to do his will as Moses needed to.. He is I AM YOUR MOUTH AND TONGUE. If people would grasp that about God they would Call Him by his real name, which is a Faith expression of your heart that you beleive HE provides for you all that You need to be made more like Him, and they would leave off the senseless haggling over the proper spelling of Hebrew words used prior to the structure of vowels assigned long after the scrptures were written. The original Hebrew scriptures did not use vowels in writing, therefore there are questions about how the words were pronounced. Later Hebrew scholars restructered the Hebrew language and added vowels. However when you understand that God is not a man and is not limited to a "proper" name, you understand that it does not matter exactly how YHWH was originally pronounced, what is important is that we understand Who God is to Us. Are we having Faith that He is our Holiness? If not, then do we really think God is going to pat us one the back for pronouncing the word YHWH correctly? Of course not. This obsession with the correct name of God has produced more than one cult and I am sure more are trying to form even as we speak. It is just another way for those that want a precept to follow rather than intimacy with God. So they have precept upong precept, line upon line, that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. |
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7 | Judgement does not heal abuse. | Jer 5:31 | Scribe | 86548 | ||
Part 2 of 2 However the majority of divorces (as to the man's opinion) is due to this sin of the women. The majority of divorces are not coming from the man beating the woman (not to make light of that horrible plague, for one case is too many) the majority of divorces from the man's view is coming from the women not getting control of her wagging tongue. She pulls down her house with her own hands and then weeps bitterly and blames the man when he abandons her. Is the man justified for leaving his wife. no not at all... he deals treacherously with her for doing so. Malachi 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. But nevertheless, I see one of the greatest needs in the church to be that of teaching the women that to live like this.. never controlling your tongue and pouring out negative poison on your husband daily is going to lead to divorce and she will only have herself to blame. Women need to understand that what seems like a light thing to them is in God's eyes a horrible sin. So we read.. Ephesians 4:31-32 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Now when a woman reads this and never does it, she is like a woman who build her house on the sand. Matthew 7:24-29 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. We have the promise keepers to help direct the church of men back into the revelation that they should not leave their wives. Now we need a Kindness Keepers organization to remind the women to quit trying to see if their men will leave be seeing how far they can push them with their tongues. And in these meetings we need to remind the church that what comes out of the mouth reveals the condition of the heart. Jesus said that these things defile the man. If a woman is spewing out poison on her husband, then why isn’t she feeling doubt about her heavenly destiny. I certainly would be. I would be convicted and be repenting in dust and ashes. Why do women so often spew out fruits of hell and then get ready for church? I ask this in such a way as to provoke us to see it the way God sees it, fear God and quit thinking we can act that way and still go to heaven. |
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8 | Judgement does not heal abuse. | Jer 5:31 | Scribe | 86546 | ||
Part 1 of 2 Dear Hatshepsut, Please forgive me if I wrote in such a way that made me come across as judging others, I am not passing judgment on you, your husband or your pastor. I think with a nick name like Scribe I may need to take extra precautions when I speak of these kind of things. However my church and the churches I have fellowshipped with do not believe that the bible teaches that a man can be a flagrant wife beater and go to heaven or be called saved. We do not believe that this is the correct understanding of the doctrine of salvation. I am sorry that there are churches that would say that the wife beater is still going to heaven. I hope to see the day when all churches will wake up to the fact that this scripture is really true. Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Can a person fall into sin.. and repent and still be saved.. Of Course.. but that is not what we call a continuous habit of beating women, that is beyond falling into a lust of the flesh. I may sound judgmental to you, but that is the problem with the church, too much confusion about some weird idea that men do not have to really change to be saved. What is repentance and faith but a life change. If there is not radical life change it is ok to say someone needs to be saved. They certainly need to be saved from violent behavior. That someone is a preacher means nothing if they are not walking in holiness. Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I have heard preachers retell that verse above and make it sound like these were rejected because they did not really "believe the right doctrine" but that is not why they were rejected.. they were rejected because the worked iniquity and we can assume by looking at all the other verses on the subject that it was because they believed a lie that comforted them with the idea that they would not be judged for willful sin in their lives. There is no doubt that your husband CAN be saved, but if anyone is beating their wife we have EVERY reason to doubt the state of their current salvation. And this is clear in the New Testament, it takes a denominational upbringing or a seminary or other books written by "famous" preachers to so confuse us as to think we can be wife beaters and still have "no doubt about our salvation." If I am labeled judgmental for saying it I am willing to accept that as long as someone somewhere along the way is provoked to look at all the scriptures and not just their "favorite ones" that they might have misinterpreted.. and as a result is saved to the uttermost by Jesus Christ being freed from the bondage of sins and able to say.. Praise be to Jesus.. For sin shall not have dominion over me. If my provoking (though not judgmental) words cause others to refuse to agree with false teachings and agree only with the Word of God, so that they hate sin and eschew it, so that they fling all manner of sin (that they know of ) off of themselves with abhorrence and put on Christ, then I do not mind being called provoking, but provoking in Love because I would that all men live a spotless life with the fear of God as they look forward to His coming. May God Bless You as You Study His Word and equip you to Think and Speak only God's Word on the Subject. I will pray for you and your family and you husband as well. As an added note to the subject of women that are extremely hostile toward their husbands, verbally abusing them and almost trying to see how far they can provoke them with hateful words of accusation and poisonous darts of verbal abuse ...Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands. In society this horrendous sin is much ignored. Since the woman is not verbally hitting the husband (though inside the man feels a much deeper pain and could take her slapping him better than her horrible words) the world does not consider it that big of a deal. (continued on next post) |
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9 | what verse in the bible has a 33 yr gap | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 86541 | ||
not to start any kind of debate on it but, it could be that John was referring to all of the things Jesus did that revealed his Glory. such as... John 2:11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him. Mark 9:1-3 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 2 Peter 1:16-18 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. |
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10 | My first Poem, Should I keep my dayjob? | Gen 3:21 | Scribe | 86512 | ||
Thanks Just Read Mark, I appreciate the feedback. |
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11 | My first Poem, Should I keep my dayjob? | Gen 3:21 | Scribe | 86507 | ||
My First Poem Priest of Eden The first sacrifice for sin it, no doubt, must have been, slain as it were, without hands on this first altar made for man the skins, only a shadow of the blood that would cover man before the flood And who is this garden priest of Eden? none other than the Lamb slain predestined. Gary David Morris 2003 |
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12 | Why angels are not forgiven? | 2 Pet 2:4 | Scribe | 86478 | ||
Very good scriptures and thoughts pastor Glenn. Thank you for your insights into the Word. Especially the idea that angels are created one at a time. | ||||||
13 | Can someone explain sanctifacation | NT general Archive 1 | Scribe | 86321 | ||
Very good presentation prazn. I enjoyed it. | ||||||
14 | The coming of the Lord at the rapture | Joel 2:31 | Scribe | 86318 | ||
Part 2 of 2 One of the most powerful arguments for pre-trib, is the fact that we are not appointed to wrath. That is mentioned in several places, one of the places is in Romans. If we are to be delivered from the wrath to come it does not make sense that we would have to live under the outpouring of the seals, bowls, vials, trumpets, etc where the wrath of God is poured out in the Day of the Lord. If we do live through it then the only theological answer that fits would be that we would be supernaturally protected, but that is not the case in the book of Revelation, those saints there are allowed by God to be killed, and forbidden to fight back. Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. We see that the 144000 are sealed before judgement is poured out, and maybe that means all saints and that they are protected. I do not believe saints are going to be killed by the wrath of God, the judgments that come upon the wicked in Revelation. So that leaves only two things, they are supernaturally protected or, they die under the persecution of men and the antichrist, and do not die from the judgments that the antichrist and the wicked are dieing from. This might give you encouragement but it does not give me any. I think that the only way Paul’s instructions to comfort one another with these words applies is if I am promised not to see death, as he stated a generation would not see death. So we have conflicting messages often being thrown at us from these different views of prophesy. There are saints in the tribulation.. they die and are seen in heaven.. But Paul said those that are changed and rise do not die.. so those saints killed for their faith in Revelation are not of that generation that do not die... The saints mentioned in revelation are allowed to be killed by the antichrist and forbidden to fight back, so they are not the group that are changed at the "end of the tribulation" as you have suggested is the "only possible" meaning. Now we are left with the question if the saints in Revelation are not the ones that are changed and rise and do not die, then who are the saints that this will happen too? Is it the ones that are left at the end of the tribulation.. a remnant after the holocaust? Or is it the group that are ready for the Coming of the Lord in a pretribulation rapture, and who go out much more triumphantly shining like the sun, leaving the world to face the wrath of God. |
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15 | The coming of the Lord at the rapture | Joel 2:31 | Scribe | 86317 | ||
Part 1 of 2 Matthew 24:29-31 is a good verse to base a post tribulation rapture view. If it were the only scripture on the subject I would not think there would be any other view but post tribulation among the saints. However there are other verses, quite a few in fact. Listing them all and reading them in context there are going to be different conclusions among some of us. Paul said we see through a glass darkly but then (when the perfect day comes) we will see clearly. Until then we all have to walk by faith in the illumination of scripture we possess. I am not sure whether there is a pre tribulation rapture of the saints or a post tribulation rapture. So far I am leaning toward both. Here is one of the reasons I have considered a pre-tribulation rapture. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Now it could mean "pray that you will be able to make it through all these things." but the general consensus among most scholars has been that it means escape completely as in not face them at all. But I am sure that will be debated until Jesus comes. It does not make sense that we should pray for death to escape them, no where in the scripture does FAITH pray for death, as a means of escape, only unbelief does that. Another reason is that in Rev 4 we have the 4 living creatures and the 24 elders all singing the same song, they sing Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; This makes it "clear" beyond controversy (at least in my mind) that the 4 creatures and 24 elders are simply a symbolic form or redeemed saints. They are not just Jews, because they are from every people and nation and tongue, they are not just 24 because there are more than 24 people groups, the number 24 is significant because it is a vision of the Levitical Priesthood, they also served in the temple 24 by lot and yet came from a group of over 24000. We see here a vision of the glorified saints serving in their heavenly offices, and they are "as angels" having inherited offices we once thought reserved only for cherubs and angels, they are seen in the 4 creatures and representing authority over the created world and say holy holy holy, as the cherubs of old, and yet they sing this song,, saying they are people redeemed by the blood. That being established, we conclude that before the very first seal is opened there are redeemed saints in heaven who are partaking of this heavenly scene. So who are they? Are they raptured saints or saints that have died and are with Christ even now? I don't know for sure. But if they are raptured saints then when does it occur? Could it be that the very translation of John is a prophetic type of the translation of the saints, so that the Voice he hears as a Trumpet saying Come up Hither (voice of the archangel and trump of God) are a type of the rapture that occurs and the next scene he is beholding glorified saints, and not only that but after the Lamb is declared the only one worthy to open the seals, these glorified saints are the ones that say COME and see, and a seal is opened, it is as if they are partaking in the releasing of the judgments that are poured out, as if the Lamb allows them to have a part. Indeed the saints shall judge the world. A common explanation for Matt 24:29-31 is that there is another gathering of saints who were saved during the tribulation. (continued on next post) |
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16 | Will we be here once anti-Christ appears | 1 John 2:18 | Scribe | 86275 | ||
(Part 3 of 3) Considering the Bible as our source and looking no further Seiss has presented a stronger argument for interpreting it as the Day of the Lord. If we have to look outside of the Bible to get one shred of evidence that it is Sunday, so that the only references to The Lord’s Day as Sunday is outside of the Bible then we are on questionable ground. Of course if you take the stand that Early Writers and the Catholic Church is authority enough for your faith then you are comfortable with that. I have to have God’s Word on every article of my faith. So far .. (and I am open ).. Seiss has a stronger biblical basis than those that present their argument for Rev 1:10 applying to Sunday. Now if it were meant here (Rev 1:10) that it meant Sunday, I would only get a lesson that on Sunday John must have decided to pray more than on other days, and this may have been the case with the majority of saints even in the very first generation, but I don’t think it was the case with the apostles, I think they were diligently giving themselves to prayer on all days of the week. This idea that it is Sunday would suggest a more vigorous spiritual activity on John’s part than on other days and as a result he has entered into a “trance” or been taken up (whether in the body or out of the body, we do not know). So it would teach us, that no matter what condition you find yourself, on Sunday you should turn toward God in fervent prayer. I am sure that this has been preached, but I am not so sure that is the correct message of this verse. However if it means that John was translated into the Day of the Lord by the Spirit we then see a foundational truth that enables us to correctly interpret the whole vision to come and all that is written in the book. This seems to make better sense but I am not going to contend for it as the only possible explanation. Let’s just say at this time, taking into account both arguments, I lean toward, The Day of the Lord. May God bless you as you mine the depths of His eternal Word. |
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17 | Will we be here once anti-Christ appears | 1 John 2:18 | Scribe | 86274 | ||
Part 2 of 3 “ This is what I understand by his being "in Spirit in the Lord's day." (NOTE: And so Wetstein, Zullig, Dr. S. R. Maitland, Dr. Todd, and B. W. Newton.) I can see no essential difference between [hee] (grk 3588) [Kuriakee] (grk 2960) [heemera] (grk 2250)-- the Lord's day,-- and [hee] (grk 3588) [heemera] (grk 2250) [Kuriou] (grk 2962)-- the day of the Lord. They are simply the two forms for signifying the same relations of the same things. (NOTE: Our English translators have frequently used both these modes of expressing the genitive case of the same noun, both in Hebrew and Greek. Compare (Gen. 28:17) and (Gen. 28:22), where "House of God" and "God's house" mean precisely the same. So "Lord's law," (Ex. 13:9), and "Law of the Lord," (2 Chr. 12:1); "The Lord's people," (1 Sam. 2:24), and "People of the Lord," (Judges 5:11). In all these instances, the Septuagint presents the same forms as the original. So in the New Testament we have the same variety of expression to signify exactly the same relations. In (1 Cor. 10:21), for the same grammatical form in Greek, we have "the Lord's table," and "the table of devils"; in 2 Cor. 2:12, "Christ's Gospel" for "Gospel of Christ"; in 2 Pet. 4:13), "Christ's sufferings," and in (1 Pet. 5:1), "Sufferings of Christ." The same may be seen in (Rev. 11:15), where the kingdoms of the world become our Lord's and his Christ's kingdoms.) And if John was thus mystically down among the scenes of the last day, and has written only what he says he has written, that is "things that he saw;" it cannot be otherwise but that in dealing with the contents of this book we are dealing with what relates pre-eminently to the great Apocalypse and Epiphany of our Lord, when he cometh to judge the world in righteousness. And when we come to consider the actual contents of this book, we find them harmonizing exactly with this understanding of its title. It takes as its chief and unmistakable themes what other portions of the Scriptures assign to the great day of the Lord. It is nothing but Apocalypse from beginning to end. First, we have the Apocalypse of Christ in his relation to the earthly churches, and his judgment of them; then the Apocalypse of his relation to the glorified Church, and the marshalling of them for his forthcoming to judge the world; then the Apocalypse of his relation to the scenes of the judgment, as they are manifested on earth under the opening of the seals, the prophesying of the witnesses, and the fall of Babylon; then the Apocalypse of his actual manifestation to the world in the battle of the great day of God Almighty, the establishment of his kingdom, and the investiture of the saints in their future sovereignties; and finally, the Apocalypse of his relation to the final act of judgment, the destruction of death and the grave, and the introduction of the final estate of a perfected Redemption. What, indeed, is all this, but just what was foretold by all the prophets, by Christ himself, and by all his apostles, as pertaining to THE DAY OF THE LORD? Verily, this book is but the rehearsal, in another and ampler manner, of what all the Scriptures tell us about the last day and the eternal judgment.” Joseph A. Seiss “The Apocalypse” (continued on next post) |
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18 | Will we be here once anti-Christ appears | 1 John 2:18 | Scribe | 86273 | ||
Part 1 of 3 I think there are many scholars which would say that The Didache date of A.D. 70 is not likely. Excluding that as the propre date of The Didache, and reading through Ingatious we will find many things that we (most of us protestant evangelicals) would think differently about, not saying it is false teaching but just a slightly different take on things than we might have when we read the same scriptures. Ignatius being closer to the original author (in this case John) does not convince of taking Ignatious words as infallible anymore than you would take mine or I yours. We consider only the scriptures the inspired Word of God and therefore are willing to accept as very possible that Ignatius could have made the same mistake others might make today when reading "the Lord's Day" and just assumed Sunday was meant. But I cannot proove that and I understand your argument as a very good one that such references to "The Lord's Day as Sunday in the early writers is strong evidence that that is what John meant. However I believe that God did indeed watch over the Word but not the words of Ignatius, so that If all I had was a bible and no Ignatius or any other early writer, would I come to this conclusion that it meant Sunday or would I have strong evidence from other scriptures that it meant the Day of the Lord? I wish I was scholar enough to take credit for the post below but it is the work of Joseph A. Siess as I mentioned before in a previous post. With this also agrees the statement of John as to the circumstances under which he came to the knowledge of the things which he narrates. He says he "was in Spirit in the Lord's day," in which he beheld what he afterward wrote. What is meant by this "Lord's day"? Some answer, Sunday, the first day of the week; but I am not satisfied with this explanation. Sunday belongs indeed to the Lord, but the Scriptures nowhere call it "the Lord's day." None of the Christian writings for 100 years after Christ ever call it "the Lord's day." But there is a "Day of the Lord" largely treated of by prophets, apostles, and fathers, the meaning of which is abundantly clear and settled. It is that day in which, Isaiah says, people shall hide in the rocks for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty; the day which Joel describes as the day of destruction from the Almighty, when the Lord shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth shall shake; the day to which the closing chapter of Malachi refers as the day that shall burn as an oven, and in which the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in his wings; the day which Paul proclaimed from Mars' Hill as that in which God will judge the world, concerning which he so earnestly exhorted the Thessalonians, and which was not to come until after a great apostasy from the faith, and the ripening of the wicked for destruction; the day in the which, Peter says, the heavens shall be changed, the elements melt, the earth burn, and all present orders of things give way to new heavens and a new earth; even "the day for which all other days were made." And on that day I understand John to say, he in some sense was. In the mysteries of prophetic rapport, which the Scriptures describe as "in Spirit," and which Paul declared inexplicable, he was caught out of himself, and out of his proper place and time, and stationed amid the stupendous scenes of the great day of God, and made to see the actors in them, and to look upon them transpiring before his eyes, that he might write what he saw, and give it to the churches. (continued on next post) |
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19 | Beware False Teachers | 2 Pet 2:1 | Scribe | 86249 | ||
I agree we must beware of false teachers, but there is also something else we must beware of, and that is the leaven of the pharisees, which think they are the only ones that have the correct interpretation of the word and the only ones "trained" to teach it. I am not saying you believe this way, but I have noticed that many people are quick to label anyone that does not agree with their interpretation as a false teacher. There are indeed false teachers but we should make sure we are applying that term to what the bible says is a false teacher. I have heard people calling others false teachers for their views on pre tribulation rapture. That is far from the definition of being a false teacher. Someone may say they think someone is not accurately interpreting a scripture without calling them a false teacher. Too many people are thinking in terms of "if you are mistaken in your interpretation then it is "false" and so you are a "false teacher" But that is not the definition of a false teacher according the biblical use of the term. Look up all the references to false teachers in the New Testament and you will see examples of what they teach. If someone is teaching one of these examples we would be biblical in calling them a false teacher. If someone is just wrong, then they are just wrong. I rarely hear anyone say.. I think you are wrong about how you are interpreting that, Instead the accusation of false teacher and false prophet is hurled so quickly that all dialogue and any chance of communication is shut down. There is a time to call someone a false teacher, but we should be very careful and know that God has told us to do that, otherwise we will be judged by the same measure we dish out, and I am sure we have some error somewhere in our teachings waiting for the light of the Lord to expose it. | ||||||
20 | Where are these names written down? | Jer 17:13 | Scribe | 86247 | ||
He is gentle toward those that are ready to repent, those that are obstinate He exposes. Even that is mercy, so that they will reconsider and repent. | ||||||
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