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NASB | Joel 2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Joel 2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and terrible day of the LORD comes. [Is 13:6, 9-11; 24:21-23; Ezek 32:7-10; Matt 24:29, 30; Rev 6:12-17] |
Subject: The coming of the Lord at the rapture |
Bible Note: Part 2 of 2 One of the most powerful arguments for pre-trib, is the fact that we are not appointed to wrath. That is mentioned in several places, one of the places is in Romans. If we are to be delivered from the wrath to come it does not make sense that we would have to live under the outpouring of the seals, bowls, vials, trumpets, etc where the wrath of God is poured out in the Day of the Lord. If we do live through it then the only theological answer that fits would be that we would be supernaturally protected, but that is not the case in the book of Revelation, those saints there are allowed by God to be killed, and forbidden to fight back. Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. We see that the 144000 are sealed before judgement is poured out, and maybe that means all saints and that they are protected. I do not believe saints are going to be killed by the wrath of God, the judgments that come upon the wicked in Revelation. So that leaves only two things, they are supernaturally protected or, they die under the persecution of men and the antichrist, and do not die from the judgments that the antichrist and the wicked are dieing from. This might give you encouragement but it does not give me any. I think that the only way Paul’s instructions to comfort one another with these words applies is if I am promised not to see death, as he stated a generation would not see death. So we have conflicting messages often being thrown at us from these different views of prophesy. There are saints in the tribulation.. they die and are seen in heaven.. But Paul said those that are changed and rise do not die.. so those saints killed for their faith in Revelation are not of that generation that do not die... The saints mentioned in revelation are allowed to be killed by the antichrist and forbidden to fight back, so they are not the group that are changed at the "end of the tribulation" as you have suggested is the "only possible" meaning. Now we are left with the question if the saints in Revelation are not the ones that are changed and rise and do not die, then who are the saints that this will happen too? Is it the ones that are left at the end of the tribulation.. a remnant after the holocaust? Or is it the group that are ready for the Coming of the Lord in a pretribulation rapture, and who go out much more triumphantly shining like the sun, leaving the world to face the wrath of God. |
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