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1 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | humbledbyhisgrace | 198626 | ||
Greetings again Dr. Steeno! Sorry for the delay in responding. Long days on the job I have been so blessed to have! You said "Why would one have to ask for what they already have?" From scripture we clearly see there is a need to! For the Lord Himself said ""Pray, then, in this way..."(Matthew 9 NASB) ... "And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." (Matthew 9:12 NASB). And in Luke 11:4 (NASB) "And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us..." It must be noted, the Lords instruction is not instructing one to pray for salvation. This is instruction for a child of God "Our Father who is in heaven ... (Matthew 6:9). Again, from scripture (1 John 1:8, Romans 7:14-25, ) we know we still sin! In 1 John 1:9 if there is need to confess our sin there is need for forgiveness. Again, 1 John 2:1 (NASB) "...And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". John 13:10 (NASB) "Jesus said to him, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean..." Clearly, a Christian can and does still sin! If we have been born again, our salvation secured (Which I believe by the way), why then would we need to seek forgiveness when we continue to stumble and sin? As I understand it, we can stay right there in 1 John 1 to get a good idea of why? 1 John 1:5-7 (NASB) 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. In Him there is no darkness! 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. Note in verse 6 the claim to fellowship and what it is we do not practice (Truth) when we "yet walk in the darkness". Ah, "but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship" with Him! What fellowship has light with darkness? I hope this helps clear up anything I may have confused you on! Steve |
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2 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | Dr. Steeno | 198628 | ||
So, you are basically hanging your hat on 1 John 1:9. In light of the fact that Christ's sacrifice was accepted as payment in full, what is there left for Him to do? Is he supposed to die all over again? 1 John 1:9 is not a believers passage, it is describing our salvation experience. Don't you have to throw out a whole slew of other passages to cling to just that one? The Lords prayer does not apply, as you know, the cross is the dividing point of all things. | ||||||
3 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | stjohn | 198636 | ||
Hi Dr. Steeno Pardon me sir but you have me kinda confused. Are you suggesting that somehow the cross has rendered the Lords pryer inconsequential and ineffective because of Christ's work on the Cross? And that somehow God is not going to look with favor and Grace and Mercy at a penitent heart? I would suggest, If I may, that you read Ps 51 with special attention to verse 17 "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise." I don't think Our Father who art in Heaven, minds at all when we confess "with contrition"! Even in a court of law, a confession with no sign of sorrow often leads to a maximum sentence! Oh no my friend, contrition, is always good for the soul! God bless John |
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4 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | skccab | 198637 | ||
Shabbat Shalom brother John, Well said. I think our Father adores spending time with his children. Look at all He did to make communication with Him possible! We don't always have to have a "need" to go to Him in prayer, just a desire to have fellowship with Him. Maybe I've got it all wrong but when I go to Him in prayer, more often than not, I just discuss my day with Him, what made me happy, what made me think of Him, things I'm thinking about doing tomorrow, etc. He's my God, my Father, and He's my Friend, too!! I think He's interested in the nothing stuff that makes my day that makes me, me. Like I said, maybe I've got it all backwards, but that's my view on prayer. Cheri |
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