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1 | Why do you say, "No creature can"? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 102785 | ||
Amen to most of that that. The two (the sovereignty of God and the responsibility of man) exist simultaneously and only God can tell how. But God has told. Without rereading this entire thread I will offer an answer to the original question based on Amos 7:6. God has sovereignly determined that sin will be punished. God has sovereignly determined that he will withdraw the punishment when a man repents and asks for mercy. God has decided that he will repent of the punishment planned when man repents of his sin. Why can't we accept that? Perhaps it's more fun to keep on "wrestling with one another over these great doctrines". |
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2 | Why do you say, "No creature can"? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 102793 | ||
Dear Ed, You said "God has decided that he will repent of the punishment planned when man repents of his sin. Why can't we accept that?" I appeciate your answer but, it seems, we still have the same problem of the two lines. For it is God who must GRANT the repentance that leads to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Tim 2:25...That brings us back to square one. John |
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3 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 102795 | ||
God must GRANT the repentance that leads to the knowledge of the truth. Amen. He does (Acts 11:18). So what's the problem? Please note that I am not trying to restart a Calvinism/Armenian debate. I am suggesting that there is nothing to debate. Let us accept all of God's word. Let us accept God's sovereignty and the privilege of repentance. It may be that square one is where we should stay. |
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4 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 102796 | ||
Dear Noble, Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life." I must confess to enjoying our debates with one anotheron the forum. However, I don't know as if I'd define as fun :-) But they do serve to challenge our pre-suppositions. For instance, it seems that you pre-suppose that Acts 11:18 indicates repentance for "all" Gentiles. In return I would ask, why then does it not lead them to the knowledge of the truth? There is also the problem that not all gentiles are repentant. Do you see what I mean? John |
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5 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 102799 | ||
I see that it is hard for you to stop doing something you enjoy. I want to encourage you by saying, "You can do it". You're almost there. Because I have no presupposition, refusing to be indoctrinated, refraining from reading all those extra-Biblical books, I understand that Acts 11:18 says the privilege of repentance has been granted to the Gentiles, period, just like it says. I assume, while reading there, that privilege had been given to the Jews before that, and indeed I find that the history of their relationship with God is replete with his pleas to them to turn, and his offer that he would help them to turn, and that he would receive them. Now that the Gentiles are included, everyone's included? “Why does (his opening up the opportunity) not lead them to the truth?”, you ask. I reply that it has. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. They are without excuse. They knew God, (but) they glorified him not as God. They are without excuse. Not all Gentiles are repentant. Not all Jews are repentant. That’s where their responsibility comes in. I think it was John Reformed who recently said, ‘The two lines are 'The soveriegty of God" and "The responsibility of man". Both exist simultaneously.’ The possibility and the privilege of repentance has been opened to Jews and Gentiles. Now they should act responsibly and take advantage of it. Let us encourage them to do that. I think we can leave it there. You have confessed to finding enjoyment in debating. If I may, I’d like to suggest that you repent of it. There is pleasure in sin, but sin can be forsaken anyway. (Take Moses as an example. See Hebrews 11:25). If you have doubts as to whether debating is a sin, then see Paul’s instruction to Timothy (2:24) “The servant of the Lord must not strive”. You know that. You recently quoted the verse that follows. Though I have undertaken to answer your question, let this not be taken as part of the great debate. I think there is nothing to defend here, except it be something that a sect has said. Sectarianism, as you know, is wrong (1 Corinthians 1:10). Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. |
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6 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 102803 | ||
Aixen - I appreciate what you have said about debates. From the perspective of having spent well over two years as an active Forum member, I can say without reservation that the only measurable fruits that have come from endless debates are bad fruits -- divisiveness, ill will, confusion, and even name-calling. None of these bad fruits do anything at all to edify Christian believers or to attract non-believers into the fold. In spite of dire warnings and notices that this activity will not be tolerated on this StudyBibleForum, there remain a few die hards who just will not, or cannot, let debates go. --Hank | ||||||
7 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 102804 | ||
Dear Hank, It is possible for us to debate without rancour. We have been doing so quite succesfully on the topic of God's immutability. Nary a harsh word has been spoken (Praise God!). There is no reason why two christians cannot disagree without becoming disagreeable. In fact it's a good witness. And who knows, we each may come to know God better than we had. John John |
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8 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 102806 | ||
I've just been informed that my membership has been revoked. While saddened by this I accept it as God's will. Good bye my friends, I pray God will lead you and bless you all. John Reformed |
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9 | Then it's all settled? | Bible general Archive 2 | John Reformed | 102810 | ||
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