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1 | Is the NWT more reliable than the NASB? | Bible general Archive 1 | Tsmith | 78234 | ||
The examples I provided were to demonstrate the majority of uses, not every single use. I also let out a couple that are used for the one born first. However, the fact remains, as I said earlier, every single time PROTOTOKOS is followed by a genitive it always means the one born first. The same would hold true for Colossians 1:15. It is an example of extremely poor scholarship to try and isolate a few examples of PROTOTOKOS to prove something, when the grammar is consistent in one use: one born first, NOT preeminence. The bible does not say he was creator, it says things were created THROUGH him. This is why the preposition DIA is used. Further, textural evidence clearly demonstrates that John 1:3 has taken o gegonen from verse 4. Further, the context is a definite parallel to Genesis 1:1, and so it is showing creation not of every single thing, but all things within the context of it (i.e. the physical universe). Hebrews 1:2 says that it was God who through Jesus made the worlds, or ages: "through whom He indeed made the ages". So this has no conflict with Jesus being created at all. |
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2 | Is the NWT more reliable than the NASB? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 78239 | ||
Greetings Tsmith! Good morning again my friend! I rushed through and missed one important point in your post. You wrote: "However, the fact remains, as I said earlier, every single time PROTOTOKOS is followed by a genitive it always means the one born first." Yet, in the NT, 'prototkos' is used with the genitive in once instance where it clearly does not refer to one born first. In Col. 1:18, He is described as the 'firstborn from the dead'. Are the dead born? Was Christ the first to rise from the dead? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Is the NWT more reliable than the NASB? | Bible general Archive 1 | Tsmith | 78242 | ||
My fault for not being specific. I should have been clear of making reference to "of". |
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4 | Is the NWT more reliable than the NASB? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 78244 | ||
Greetings Tsmith! You can't get off of the hook quite that easily! :-) Col. 1:18 is still a occasion where 'prototkos' is used with the genitive case. And, it is in the immediate context of the verse in question. So, if it is clearly used as a title in Col. 1:18, why is it a stretch to say that it is also a title in verse 15? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Is the NWT more reliable than the NASB? | Bible general Archive 1 | Tsmith | 78245 | ||
I would actually argue 1:18 actually, in that it isn't. It is a position, because just as Adam died the day he ate of the tree, no man was truly born from the dead until Jesus because they all died again. Just truly was firstborn from the dead, as in the one born first. |
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