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1 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 75054 | ||
Dear disciplerami, I must confess that, although I have read through the book of Revelation several times, I have yet to apply myself to a rigorous study of it. Having said that, I must say that I have not found any evidence in the Bible of the "rapture". There is plenty of proof regarding the "2nd coming" but none (at least none that I have found) about a prior "secret coming". My question is: What are the foundationional proof texts for believing in the "Secret Rapture"? John Reformed |
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2 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 75066 | ||
John, I don't believe the so-called 'rapture' of the faithful, as presented in our modern day, is a biblical idea. I certainly believe in the second coming of Christ, but on that day three things will happen in succession. First, the dead in Christ shall rise. Second, "We who are alive and remaining" shall rise to meet the Lord in the air. Third, the judgment of the unrighteous will occur. All of these things will occur on that day. I doubt that anyone else on this forum believes as I do, but there you have it. By the way, a prooftext for the rapture that I've heard used, is the one where Jesus says, 'two will be in the field, one will be taken away and one left.' (my paraphrase). Good day. |
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3 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 75126 | ||
Dear disciplerami, We appear to agree on the rapture. To me Matt 24 proves the opposite of what some interpret it's meaning to be. In keeping with the analogy, the one's taken away are compared with the ones in Noah's day who were living their lives without any fear of the impending judgement of God, which when it came as a flood, took them away. So those "taken" were not the chosen ones of God, but the reprobate. John Reformed |
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4 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75134 | ||
Hello John, I think another portion of scripture backs up what you have suggested. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. At the time of harvest there is a process where the wheat was separated from the chaff. It was a difficult process and the wheat got pretty well beat up in the process but it sure separated the good stuff from the bad stuff and there was no mistaking the good from the bad from then on. The chaff was segregated into bundles to be burned and the wheat was stored safely in the barn. Once the wheat was secured the workers went back out and set fire to what was left and the fields were made ready for the next season. The whole process was a period called the time of harvest. The coming of Christ, 2 Thes. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, The word translated coming, is the word PAROUSIA in the original, and it isn’t a verb but a noun, it is an event. The event starts with what we know as the rapture and continues up to the time that God sets up his kingdom here on earth. Just like the first coming of Christ consisted of an allotted number of years to finish his work so his second coming will be an event which will consist of many different actions in a given time period. That what I believe, CDBJ |
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5 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 75189 | ||
I guess we can't agree on everything. You write: "The event starts with what we know as the rapture and continues up to the time that God sets up his kingdom here on earth." See, I can't go along with this. If I'm misunderstanding you, help straighten me out. But I understand you to be saying that Jesus is going to establish a kingdom here on earth at His second coming. Is that what you are saying? The way I see this all unfolding is quite different. When Jesus returns and rescues the church and judges the earth, He then turns over the kingdom to the Father (1 Corinthians 15). My understanding is that the fiery judgment will happen at his second coming, and this world will be toast. Good day. |
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6 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 75191 | ||
Hello disciplerami; The answer to your question is no I don’t think they are the same. A good source of information as far as a helpful commentary on the book of Revelation can be found free on the Internet. It is hard to find someone who has broken down the Revelation so that it has any semblance of something that can be clearly understood. Check out the following. revelationcommentary.org.url also http://www.solagroup.org/ I don’t know that I understand what you are trying to say here, “My understanding is that the fiery judgment will happen at his second coming, and this world will be toast.” Are you assuming that this is the end of the earth or what? CDBJ |
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7 | Why should we believe a "secret rapture" | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 75196 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! If I may, I would like to add some comments to this discussion. As you may remember, i am a believer in a mid-trib rapture. The interpretative scheme that I use to understand Revelation is basically this: 1) I see the 7 seals as very general judgements of God which occur during the church age. 2) I see the 7 trumpets as more specific judgements of God which occur during the first 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week - with the rapture occuring after the 7th trumpet (probably in Rev. 14). 3) I see the 7 bowls as very intense expressions of God's wrath which will be poured out during the final 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week. This system has helped me to get a better grasp on Revelation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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