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1 | HOW COULD JESUS BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 71993 | ||
Hi, debbie; Not to speak for aften1, but this could possibly be a reference to Isaiah 7:10-16: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." (v. 14). But this is not a reference to Jesus; this virgin birth was a sign intended for King Ahaz to see in his lifetime. The fact that Matthew refers to Isaiah's prophecy in 1:22-23 can be confusing: "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel'--which means, 'God with us.'" A Professor of New Testament whom I respect has said that "fulfillment" of a prophecy has two possible meanings. We usually think of it as meaning that an event foretold by a prophet has taken place. But "fulfillment" can also mean the perfection or purest example of a prophecy. With this reference to Isaiah, Matthew is saying that there was a virgin birth before, but this one is the purest, most perfect example of a virgin birth. This child named Jesus can also be called Immanuel because he is more than just an illustration of "God with us" - a sign from God to Ahaz - he is the embodiment of "God with us"; he is God and he is with us. Hope this helpful, or interesting, or something. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | HOW COULD JESUS BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID | Bible general Archive 1 | glory777 | 71994 | ||
Ok, Steve- Now that you have me thoroughly confused, when did Ahaz see that first "virgin birth"? I think I read there was some worship at that time of a "god" that was supposed to have been virgin born. Is that what you are referring to, or am I even more confused than I thought? Debbie |
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3 | HOW COULD JESUS BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 71996 | ||
Hi, Debbie; I have a gift for sowing confusion - just ask my kids. The whole story is in Isaiah 7. Ahaz (king of Judah) was under attack from King Rezin of Aram and Pekah, king of Israel. This made Ahaz nervous. Speaking through Isaiah, God told him to relax, that the attack would fail, but "If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all." (v.9). God then invited Ahaz to ask him for a sign. But Ahaz declined, saying "I will not ask; I will not put the LORD to the test." (v.12) "Then Isaiah said, 'Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign'". (v.13-14) The sign was the one Matthew referred to: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right. But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste." (v.14-16) For the boy Immanuel to be a sign to Ahaz that Judah would stand against Rezin and Pekah, he would have to be born and known to Ahaz before the two kings were defeated. So Immanuel was born, lived, and died long before Jesus was born. Mathew said, in effect, that while Isaiah's prophecy conerning Immanuel was fulfilled in the sense that a foretold event had already happened, Jesus' birth was a further fulfillment of it. The boy that Isaiah spoke of was named Immanuel because he was proof to Ahaz that God was with him in his fight. Jesus - also born of a virgin - was more entitled to the name Immanuel because he wasn't just a sign from God, he was God. You can't get any more "with us" than that. Hope this clears things up - or at least doesn't muddy them further. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | HOW COULD JESUS BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 72002 | ||
Steve That is interesting and I must admit the first time of heard of this theory and I thought I heard them all. If I'm hearing you right your saying there have been two virgin births? One at the time of Isaiah and King Ahaz and the other Jesus. Man Christianity has had a hard enough time trying to convince the world there was one with Jesus and now you telling us there are two! I personally see the prophecy fulfilled in Isaiah by history of what took place and the birth of Jesus. I simply can not/will not buy into this theory that there were two virgin births. Nothing is mentioned in scripture of the birth. Only thing we see in relation to timing, other than your assumption that it had to be witnessed by King Ahaz, was it would be done after the Kings of Syria and Ephraim would meet their doom at the hands of Assyria. I submit to you that your assertion that the virgin birth had to be done within the witness of Ahaz is incorrect. Further reading shows that Ahaz asked for no proof but God said he would show himself before all of Israel which he did by the birth of Jesus. Your assertion places God in a box, that box being the confines of time, yet we know that a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day to God. Meaning God is not constrained by time, therefore God telling Ahaz he would bring forth a baby from a virgin was not limited to Ahaz's lifetime but rather the history of the Israel. I will do further investigation of this matter as I said I have never heard this one before. Interesting!!! EdB |
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5 | HOW COULD JESUS BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID | Bible general Archive 1 | aften1 | 72014 | ||
Joseph the Earthly Father of Jesus was working class. Butter and Honey cost alot of money in the time period of the birth of Immanuel. Also the Book of Isaiah was written hundreds of years before the book of Matthew. The verses in Isaiah as follows - 10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, 11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. 12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. |
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6 | HOW COULD JESUS BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 72049 | ||
Aften1 John the Baptist lived a spartan life and eat honey and locust. And anyone with an milk giving animal can make butter. The cost does not bear one bit of proof on this subject. soemthing more substantial that will have to be produced before I would even consider accepting that argument. EdB |
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