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1 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69402 | ||
Charis I never said we were forbidden to drink wine. I never said all references to wine in the bible was non alcoholic. I never said Jesus never drank alcohol although I find it very unlikely. He really won't have needed the buzz. I said the word for wine in the Bible is used for both alcoholic and non alcoholic wines. I said that alcohol is akin to leaven and therefore would be symbolically prohibited from all ceremonies where leaven was prohibited. I said I can not imagine Jesus who was all knowing and therefore very aware of the effects of alcohol on unborn infants would have endanger the babies of any pregnant women that more than likely attended the wedding of Cana by providing alcohol. I said fermentation was not a way to preserve grape juice as many suggest. I then looked at the nature of alcohol and alcohol by definition is the excrement of sugar eating bacteria, to which I can’t imagine anyone defending the drinking of. Alcohol is also a poison to the body and a controlled substance neither of which makes it very desirable. I then looked at the spiritual aspect. Alcohol has a tendency to dull the senses, burr reality and remove inhibitions. None of these aspects enhance our pursuit of the gifts of the spirit, and does in fact in many cases actually retard them. Certainly alcohol itself does not enhance or improve our relationship with our God. So that being the case why even discuss it on a Christian forum? We are not forbidden from drinking wine. We are called to holiness. I remain unconvinced a Christian should drink alcohol for other than medical use and I ask for a clear biblical reference to sway my opinion. EdB |
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2 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 69422 | ||
EdB; Greetings this AM. :-) The wine in scripture was deluted about 4 to 6 times. The wine was like a concentrated orange juice, as we have today in the frozen food section of the store. They added water to it and by all that I have been told if water was added as it was suppose to be, the "buz" would have take more than the bladder could hold! That by no means some did not used far less water, and then the color was much deeper than it was to be. I personally have had the story of Jesus making wine, put up as a defence for more heavy drinkers that were addicted to daily use of "spirits". This passage is mis used beyond any one I know of. Why is this small section of Jesus life' known by so many? Yet so few know any other of Jesus' life experiences? For me After one year in a Naval Hospital, I came out so dependant on strong pain killers that is was a very serious dependancy for many years. This is just as common in the church today as heavy drinking is in the world. The use of alcohol, is one of the trap biggest issues. If one says it is ok to have a glass of wine or a beer, there will be someone who will justify their habit because so and so says its's ok. If I say no one should drink alcohol, some person will ask if I ever used Night Quill. I think that if if there is any doubt don't. Scripture says if we know something is wrong and we do it, that is a sin. I disapprove of a list of "We don'ts in a church". Some have a required that to be a church member that you muct totally abstain from any alcohol, including selling it. Yet many just overlooked this and lied about it. When I was much, much, much, much younger, rock and roll, dancing , going to the movies, smoking, drinking, cussing, and mixed swiming, television, and fornicating (meaning kissing alone in a car) were often worked in to the Pastors sernons! I grew up pretty warped, I feared the Lord, respected young ladies (they were considered ladies at 13 and above), addressed older men and women by Mr., Miss., or Mrs., dated in groups, and never said a sware word in public. Then the sware words were more of a by your self thing. Most of us slipped once and a while. Boy the fifties seen so long ago! Stores were closed on Sundays too! Today, I still have these values. At times my Grandchildren think I am from the prehistoric ages. Well I chased a rabbit, I am like that you know. I was glad to see both notes on this. Have a good day! justme |
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3 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69431 | ||
Justme Don't you know that is all old fashion. We are enlightened now, more tolerant, we emphasis the positive aspects instead of talking about things like hell. We are also in danger of losing a whole generation (George Barna Christians surveyist) that has lived under this new philosophy. If we teach people to handle alcohol in a positive manner they won't abuse it but will learn to enjoy it’s pleasant aspects and never seek more to increase the euphoria. That is a lie straight from the pit of hell, greasing the slide of many it will take there. I say right on brother!!! EdB |
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4 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 69437 | ||
EdB: I have cone to the conclusion that being educated in a christian school does not make one spiritual. Being a pastor does not mean one knows how to pray. Being tolerant does not bring peace, or assure tranquility. Inclusiveness does not include me. Diversivity assures divisions. Enlightenment often clouds up the issues. Definations are what they mean to you, as you want them to mean. For example; I have learned never believe anyone who says " read my lips, no new Taxes!" or "I never had sexual relations with that woman!" Never underestamate the power of a prayer. God has the ability to hear, and move in my behalf regardless if it is just me alone praying, or have a hundred Christians praying for me. My prayers to be in His direct will are always inHis will! That brad, has been a a difficult lesson for me to discover. I have by experience recently learned not to waste my spiritual energy in someone who only is interested in draining my reserve of spiritual strength. Knowing who is really in genuine need of spiritual insight and who is just a devisive person is hard for me to know. By the way what do you like about the ESV? justme |
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5 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69591 | ||
Justme I think Dr Packard one of the men involved in the translation of the ESV said it best. Dr. Packer said he always recommended a person should use 4 translations NASB for a very literal word for word translation. KJV to catch the poetical flow NIV or NLT for a paraphrase in common language RSV for a neutral presentation of the scripture. He said, he has since changed. He now feels the ESV takes the place of the NASB for literalness and RSV for neutral presentation. With the KJV still used for the Poetical aspect And NIV or NLT for a paraphrase. The one thing I would add was I never use the NIV but rather relied on the NLT. Another benefit is I have always liked the NASB for personal study but found when using it in reading aloud the NASB had a tendency to tongue tie me. The flow of words caused me to stumble as I spoke them out. Therefore I used the NKJV for most of my teaching or preaching. The ESV is very easy for me to read aloud and I really like the literalness it cares. Besides my copy of the ESV is the only Bible I own to have book index cutouts in it and because of this the only one I can find Obadiah on the first try. :-) Thanks for your wonderful support on this subject of alcohol!!!! Be blessed and be a Blessing |
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6 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 69633 | ||
EdB: The Dr. Packer you refer to is that J.I. Packer, the one who wrote "HOT TUBB RELIGION"? If so, I am aware of him and find him trustworthy. But, I agree, and most of the time have my parrell Greek New Testament, NASB and the NIV and some times a couple of others to really flesh out the real gems. I am still dealing with the grief of previewing the TNIV. I really do mean grief! I am sick at heart at what the TNIV has done. The translators have deliberately attempted to add words that are not found anywhere in the Greek New Testament! The TNIV,in my opinion, is dishonest in it's disguised agenda. The TNIV is in my opinion, a corrupted translation. I have read all that I can endure. I can read no more. I am aware that the translators are now working on the Old Testament, and expect to have it in print in two years. After reading the TNIV for myself, that it is no wonder our brother Hank had to have a Pacemaker and Defifulator placed in his body after previewing the TNIV! I hope I put is down before the effects raise my blood pressure over the top. Some one said they might give the TNIV a C-. That is very generious! I give it and F-. I find adding to the Biblical text unexceptable under any circumstance! I have bigger dragons to slay now. Thanks again for the information. justme |
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7 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69696 | ||
Justme Yes it is Dr. J. I. Packer, He is listed as the ESVTM General Editor. I saw a film of the with Dr. Packer narrating telling the story of how this translation came about it was fascinating. He was also on Moody Radio a few times talking about this translations. I just wish they would come out in a wide margin, single column, larger font with good leather. Pick one up, the copy I bought came with an electronic copy by Wordsearch which developed the STEP format that your Parsons software uses. You will get about number of good books that will integrate into you library. Plus when you register it with Wordsearch they will also give you a copy of the Classic Bible commentary that you can download to your system. All in all you get a good beginners Bible library for the price of the ESV bible. Plus you get to try Wordsearch with is far superior to your Parson’s software. I have tried them all. EdB |
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8 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 69724 | ||
EdB :-) Good day to you. I am glad it is the same Dr. Packer. If you have never read his book HOT TUBB RELIGION you have a treat in store! What a title for a book! I went to www.gnpc.org?home/esv. I spent a good length of time looking up the passages they have. I was impressed with the translation, and the team members. Some translator team members came from the seminary my wife and I went to. Dr. Page Patterson was listed, as the SBC convention president, and that has been a while ago, so they have been working on this translation for a good while. That's good to see, as time is a factor in making a WORTHY translation. I think I read that a single column was due out in late 2003. I did find Cambridge has a Calfskin single colomn NIV now ot for 100 US dollars now, as well as well a NKJV single column wide margin calfskin for ONLY 200 US dollars. I think they had 12 in stock so hurry before they are gone. Well Brad I hope this give you some idea how this old Ozark mule is sorta stuck in my ways, and I enjoyed the information about the ESV. I think my age is catching up with me, or I am more aware of how changing, even good habits is difficult. My parsons software works well for me. it's only 10 years old. In software years that makes it like a Ford model T. As long as it runs I will keep it. My wife and I made our library with it's main theme in language studies of the New and Old Testament, four of the major commentaries, one being The Expositors Bible Commentary this uses the NIV. Theology was another area, we have the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament 10 volume set, and several other multi volume sets. We also have a strong emphasis on counseling, Missionology, and Church History. I think we have about 3,000 books. We gave away our most of the Christiam educstion books to the SBC local area director to give pastors that had no seminary. I have taken a special interest in of study in the Aztec Indians. I have been to the digs around Mexico City seven times. Books in english relating to the Aztecs bought in Mexico, are hard to find and rather expensive. I think we have 28 different translations of the New Testament and not quite as many complete Bibles. Perhaps one of the better New Testaments is THE NEW TESTAMENT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE by Charles R. Williams. I often use that in compairing verses. We have beem very blessed, and we try not to keep books that are trendy and just fit for the time period there were writen for. When buying a Bible we have made every effort to get the leather cover and smyth sewn. These better Bible's last when taken care of for a hundred years or more. I have one I used in 1954 and has held up very well. Then again I have an Amplified Bible we got in 1984 in bonded leather that has seen very little use that the bonded cover has just fallen appart like bits of paper. The top and bottom are split and torn. Maybe it comes from lack of use. I think at this time in my life I have established a pattern that works well for me. I know where a verse in my main Bibles is. I know where I have put notes, and things that only mean something to me or my wife. I do admit Hank has tempted me in the New Living Translation and the NKJV a little. Our Pastor uses the NKJV and there is very little difference in his reading it aloud and what my updated NASB reads. In reality when so many have no Bible I feel rather selfish haveing a wide choice. Several times when missionaries or visiting students from Nigeria, or India have come and stayed with us we have given away good number of Bibles. We enjoy helping those who have so little and show such love of the Bible. Blessings! justme |
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9 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69744 | ||
Justme My name is Ed you keep calling me Brad, but that's okay :-) If you like Parson's you'll love Wordsearch like I said the books are interchangeable. Hank ain't steering you wrong NKJV and NLT are great translations! I use the NKJV for all teaching and preaching. I use the NLT to better understand/explain a difficult passages. ESV is becoming my favorite though. As for your library and Bibles yes it is great to donate them to missionaries and young Pastors. I have substance abuse recovery center in the area (Teen Challenge)that is very appreciative of most any kind of material especially Bibles. I'm slowly giving away my Library as I get the book in E-text form or find an E-text book that can replace it. Right now Nelson and Logos have an agreement that Nelson will publish their books in Logos E-text format and my computer library is really growing. I'm really impressed with the group of scholars that were involved in the ESV translation. Men I have learned to trust through the years. What is the site for Cambridge. I did not know they were doing a NKJV. I appreciate their high quality and would be interested in a NKJV done by them. Be Blessed and Be a Blessing EdB |
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10 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 69760 | ||
Ed: Well have you considered changing your name to Brad? Sorry :-( ! Boy when I mess up there is no doubt anout it! The following webb address will get you to Cambridge Bibles. It is a long one too! www.bakerbooks.com/bakerbooks/divisions/cambridge/browsecambridge.htm Baker is now some way connected with Cambridge. I think I had to go to Amazon to get more info. You can also type in your search engine "Christian resource directory". There you will find about every publisher of all Bibles, and other good stuff. I know you will find endless trails to look into. I noticed you like Dr. McGee. I went to Church of the Open Door in L.A. CA. in the early sixties. I heard him preach a mumber of times. I listened to him preach the Bible on the radio for many years. He was able to complete the whole Bible as preached on the radio. Now, long after his passing on, his voice still is heard over many radio stations preaching the Bible. His goal was to complete the Bible study messages before he went home. The Lord allowed him to do just that. I am amazed as to how fresh it still is today. Have a good day, ED! :-) justme |
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11 | To wine, or not to wine? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69794 | ||
I listened to Dr McGee for 10 or more years. I traveled the Bible bus through the bible at least twice with him. I have his commentaries both in hardback and e-text format. He has such down to earth wisdom, that I find people can easily relate too. By the way I went to the Cambridge site they do not list a NKJV only KJV, NIV, RSV, NRSV, REV, and the Geneva. I didn't think they had the NKJV Nelson keeps it under pretty tight wraps. EdB |
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