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1 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 68979 | ||
John Your conclusion of what I said is false. I never said nor did I imply the nation of Israel was tee-toters. I made the statement, that I believe there is conclusive proof alcoholic wine was not used in celebrating Passover. Nothing more nothing less. I also never said alcohol was prohibited either in the Bible or in the social law of Israel. I simply said that knowing the fact that the word Greek word translated “wine” can be used for both alcoholic wine and also for non alcoholic wine. And knowing the effect and results of using alcohol. That one could reasonably conclude when the Bible was talking about the wine in a negative or medical way it was referring to alcoholic wine, and the inverse of that would be when the Bible is talking of wine in a positive way it would be non alcoholic wine. It is a long stretch between eating a delicious turkey and drinking the excrement of sugar eating bacteria. Even the body retches the alcohol when first exposed but we train it to accept and in some case desire alcohol. Your argument on the plausibility of a society having two words one to describe alcoholic wine and non is not with me, but with the Greeks that invented the language. Tim has repeatedly and I might say conclusively proved that the Greek word for wine was used both for alcoholic wine and non. I did not say an occasional drink is not a sin. I said I did not think an occasional drink would condemn one to hell. What is sin is between you and God. What is sin to one man maybe liberty to another. Who am I to judge another man’s slave. However I see no reason to defend alcohol on a public forum. You have shown no benefits the are derived from drinking alcohol other than your exercising you liberty in the Lord and getting a slight buzz. Yet repeatedly people here have testified and we read daily in our Newspapers about the destruction of lives, families, and loved ones brought about because man choose to sin with alcohol. If you feel at liberty to drink alcohol fine, since we are not the ones judging you, in fact we would probably never knew you used alcohol until you said something, why do you feel the need to defend your action on this forum? Could it be you have the slightest twinge of conviction you want to free yourself of by attempting prove to the world alcohol drinking is okay? I said drunk driving killed 17,000 last year and then you said consider abortion, war, starvation, drugs, terrorism. Is that to make me feel better? Oh it is okay we kill 17,000 with drunk driving that is just a drop in the hat compared to how many die other ways. The point I was making all those 17,000 deaths were needless, caused by people thinking of their own pleasure rather than God. Before you turn my words around I did not say all the other reasons for death are not caused by self interest or the fallen state of man. I said in the case of alcohol it is one way people die that is totally un-nesscary. “The answer to sin is Jesus Christ not sobriety. Believe me Ed, I know” I know that too maybe far better than you. That is not the discussion. The whole thing here is there was both alcoholic wine and non alcoholic wine in the Bible. Therefore the Bible does not really endorse drinking alcohol, so why attempt to endorse it on this public forum. Why grease the slide someone may be on by saying the Bible says it is okay to drink when the Bible does not conclusively say that? Would it not be better to error on the side of righteousness than on the side of liberty? EdB |
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2 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 69005 | ||
Dear Ed, You concluded : "The whole thing here is there was both alcoholic wine and non alcoholic wine in the Bible. Therefore the Bible does not really endorse drinking alcohol, so why attempt to endorse it on this public forum. Why grease the slide someone may be on by saying the Bible says it is okay to drink when the Bible does not conclusively say that? Would it not be better to error on the side of righteousness than on the side of liberty?" Do you really read with uderstanding what I write? Slow down and read the following paragraph carefully (I am not angry but merely frustrated). I am NOT promoting the use of alcohol by anyone! I can't seem to get that through to you, even though I have repeated it ad nauseum. What I am doing is fulfilling a biblical mandate in not allowing others to call evil that which I consider as good. Please give me an example of where I endorsed alcohol. If indeed you have evidence, then I need to apologize for mistakenly misrepresenting my own position. I have tried to be scrupulous in aviding that very thing! I have warned others, and with Scripture, to shun anything that offends their conscience. For you to accuse me of "greasing the slide" is an unwarrented assumption. I'm certain that you do not mean to "grease the slide of legalism". Why assume that I may be endangering anyone? I have not put my liberty on DISPLAY, but have spoken with humility. The fact that Jesus has set us free from the bondage of sin is to be celebrated and all to His Glory As to your last remark in your post you asked: "Would it not be better to error on the side of righteousness than on the side of liberty?". Righteousness and liberty go hand in hand. Like love and marriage they go together like a horse and carriage (all of a sudden I feel like singing) :-) You cant't have one without the other. Fortunately for the forum we don't have audio. God Bless you Ed. I commend you for fighting for what you see as right. Allow me the same freedom and we'll be just like "Hon' and Dearie". 1 Cor 10:31 Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Your Brother, John |
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3 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 69019 | ||
John Since Lockman has found displeasure with this thread and has restricted it. I will withdraw without another flash of the sword. :-) EdB |
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