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1 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68846 | ||
John, "But" this view does not take into account the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer." (this is what you stated). That first word (But), in the recovery world is always viewed as a denial word, for me this is a red flag. However, I post the following in terms that I hope you will find easy to follow; I have spent time talking with alcoholics who want to stop, but they have difficulty because it is a drug that is chemically addictive. Almost all of them say it's like a demon that has control of their lives. And because it is addictive, it becomes a self-inflicted disease. They simply cannot stop drinking, they say, even though they know it will destroy them and everyone around them. The compulsion to drink is so deep that they often resort to stealing, lying and cheating just to get a drink. I believe that God, through his Holy Spirit can heal them, but the temptation to drink -- and there are those in this boat in practically every church in America -- seldom goes away. A little taste of alcohol, or watching a respected leader have a beer, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, can help set it off. Images on television or at sporting events can also trigger the craving. The apostle Paul in Romans 14:21 tells us that we are to avoid doing things if it causes our brother to "stumble" or "is offended or is made weak," even if our conscience is O.K. on the matter. The Bible also tells us to "present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of you mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God" (Romans 12:1-2). The way I see things, just the fact that everyone seems to be drinking is not good reason to participate. Peter reminds us that we are to look at the eternal perspective in all things because we are "sojourners and pilgrims" on this earth. We're just passing through. Therefore, "abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul" (1 Peter 2:11). I can almost hear the objections now from some who might call me a "pietist." There will be some who'll accuse me of being a legalist. They might say that Psalm 104:15 declares that "wine makes glad the heart of man." Didn't they call Jesus a winebibber and a sinner? The problem is, there are many more verses warning against the abuse of alcohol. Proverbs 20:1 says "wine is a mocker," and in every place in both the Old and New Testaments, drunkenness is outright condemned. Ephesians 5:18 tells us to "not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit." This contrasts drunkenness with being Spirit-filled. When people drank wine during the time of the Bible, it was very rarely -- if ever -- done in the same manner it is today. The nature and uses of wine was different. There were certainly no bars around in the same way as there is today. Drinking was not intertwined with the entertainment and sports industry as it is today. There were no billboards and media campaigns promoting drinking that were bombarding people all day long. Instead, wine was part of the sustenance of the Middle Eastern peoples, and in some cases it was used for medicinal purposes (1 Timothy 5:23). Today it is a supplemental luxury used almost exclusively in social settings. I am convinced that the enemy of our souls wants to promote drunkenness as much as possible. He wants to keep many in a daze every moment of their lives so they never get serious with Jesus. The enemy has almost succeeded in doing this in some cultures around the world. Thank you again for your response. God bless |
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2 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 68850 | ||
'"But" this view does not take into account the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer." (this is what you stated). That first word (But), in the recovery world is always viewed as a denial word, for me this is a red flag.' Does this "red flag" go up every time you see one of the apostles using the word "but" in Scripture, too? Please be sensible! " I have spent time talking with alcoholics who want to stop, but they have difficulty because it is a drug that is chemically addictive. Almost all of them say it's like a demon that has control of their lives. And because it is addictive, it becomes a self-inflicted disease. They simply cannot stop drinking, they say, even though they know it will destroy them and everyone around them. The compulsion to drink is so deep that they often resort to stealing, lying and cheating just to get a drink." And that is bondage to sin. I don't think John will diagree with that at all. It is not the alcohol that is the "demon," though. The "recovery model" that you seem to approve of makes the sinner out to be a "helpless victim," not the voluntary slave to sin that the Bible characterizes a drunkard to be. You wrote: 'The apostle Paul in Romans 14:21 tells us that we are to avoid doing things if it causes our brother to "stumble" or "is offended or is made weak," even if our conscience is O.K. on the matter.' No, what Paul tells us to avoid is putting our Christian freedom ON DISPLAY before the weaker brethren (look at the following verse). By the way, the same chapter tells the weaker in conscience not to judge the stronger one, as you did by implication in the first paragraph of your post. "I am convinced that the enemy of our souls wants to promote drunkenness as much as possible. He wants to keep many in a daze every moment of their lives so they never get serious with Jesus. The enemy has almost succeeded in doing this in some cultures around the world." I (and, I would assume, John also) agree completely. --Joe! |
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3 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68857 | ||
Joe-- "Does this "red flag" go up every time you see one of the apostles using the word "but" in Scripture, too? Please be sensible!" No, actually it has the opposite meaning in scripture, more positive meaning such as; Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul gives his message using, (BUT) a better way of living; Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,. "It is not the alcohol that is the "demon," though." This is true, the the problem is not the alcohol, alcohol is a solution to an addicts problem, the wrong solution. This thread is only directed to the drinking or use of wine in the form of alcohol. The use of the word (But) would require another thread :) God bless |
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4 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 68873 | ||
"No, actually it has the opposite meaning in scripture, more positive meaning..." Oh, sorry. I didn't know. I haven't purchased "The Recovery Study Bible" yet, so I can't glean from its intertextual wisdom! :) --Joe! |
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5 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68924 | ||
No problem. I'll let you know when there available, so you can glean :) | ||||||
6 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 69011 | ||
I wish I could say that the "Recovery Study Bible" was something I made up, but it really exists out there. --Joe! |
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7 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 69036 | ||
Joe-- Sure it exists, I have one, however they are currently not available, when the bible arrives they don't last long. |
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