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1 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68804 | ||
(con't.) Part 2 Third reason; 1. John 2, the miracle of turning water to wine, does not require that it be alcoholic. Many insist that on the basis of verse 10 in that chapter, that the wine must have been alcoholic. They would say that, in those days, it was common to serve the best alcoholic wine first, saving the worse until later, when men's tongues have been dulled by much drinking. They miss the point here! The words, "well drunk" in this passage mean, "to be filled up", such as "well drunk up". They show their ignorance of Scripture and Old English language meanings, as well as today's word meanings! The fact is, neither the wine which they had at first, nor the one Christ made, was alcoholic. Would Jesus join with Evil? Or violate the verse "Abstain from all appearance of evil" in 1 Thess. 5:22? 2. This next reason is found the same passage as 1.) In verse 11, Jesus "Manifested forth his glory". Would Jesus have gotten more glory by making people drunk? If they had indeed been already intoxicated as the people mentioned in 1.) advocate, would He have gotten more glory by making them more drunker? . 3. This reason is found in the passage mentioned in 1.) also. In verse 11, we notice that as a result of what He did, "the disciples believed on him." Would making alcoholic drink do that? Since John 1:41 shows that they already believed on Him as Messiah, this must mean a deepening of their faith and a proof that they had not been wrong. Would getting people drunk do this? On the contrary! Thus, because of the description of this miracle and it's result, we cannot conclude otherwise but that this wine was non-alcoholic. 4. 1 Cor. 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, or effeminate, or abusers of themselves with mankind," "Nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." God makes His position clear; drinking alcoholic wine and strong drink is against His Word. It is Sin, pure and simple. "Social drinking" is but one part of this sin. God is not a killjoy. He is warning us for our own sakes! God Bless |
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2 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 68815 | ||
Dear Inmyheart, It is obvious that you believe that to drink even a drop of alcohol is to sin. To me it is not. I have no guilty feelings and, more importantly, see no prohibition in the Bible against drinking per se. Thank you for your post, but, I have only seen verses that forbid drunkeness but none forbidding drinking righteously. I may do some research on church history to see if their was a period where the church condemned wine. I do know that the Protestant religion did not and that prohibition as a doctrine that did not begin to appear until the 19th century America. God Bless, John |
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3 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68827 | ||
Proverbs 31:4-5 "It is not for kings. O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink." Lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the judgement of any of the afflicted." The danger for kings and princes is clear. If they drink, they will forget the law, and make wrong judgements. "The only accepted use of alcohol" in the Bible is verses 6 and 7 of the same chapter: "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine to those that be of heavy hearts." "Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." This is clearly what the scriptures teach. Thank you for your response also. As you can see, this topic was orignally posted last year, and will be brought up again, no doubt, in the future :) God bless |
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4 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 68833 | ||
Dear Inmyheart, I hope you understand that because I believe the moderate use of alcohol is lawful, for me to refrain from it on account of a man-made rule, would for me be a sin. Proverbs 31:4-5 "It is not for kings. O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink." This verse is a mother's advice to her son and not a commandment from God. If it was a command, It would not have been directed at a single class of men. The Ten Commandments are my moral rule. All that is necessary for living according to His will is contained in it, or may be dicerned from it. Jesus said that the summation of The commandments Is to love God and Man. If I drink with moderation and glorify God through my thanksgiving, then I drink lawfully. On the otherhand if I become drunk I have broken the first commandment and have failed to worship God. I know the arguements from the otherside that contend that it is too dangerous to take even one glass for it may lead to another and another. But this view does not take into account the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. I will try to lay a Scritural reason for my confidence in Him later today or tomorrow. John |
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5 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68846 | ||
John, "But" this view does not take into account the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer." (this is what you stated). That first word (But), in the recovery world is always viewed as a denial word, for me this is a red flag. However, I post the following in terms that I hope you will find easy to follow; I have spent time talking with alcoholics who want to stop, but they have difficulty because it is a drug that is chemically addictive. Almost all of them say it's like a demon that has control of their lives. And because it is addictive, it becomes a self-inflicted disease. They simply cannot stop drinking, they say, even though they know it will destroy them and everyone around them. The compulsion to drink is so deep that they often resort to stealing, lying and cheating just to get a drink. I believe that God, through his Holy Spirit can heal them, but the temptation to drink -- and there are those in this boat in practically every church in America -- seldom goes away. A little taste of alcohol, or watching a respected leader have a beer, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, can help set it off. Images on television or at sporting events can also trigger the craving. The apostle Paul in Romans 14:21 tells us that we are to avoid doing things if it causes our brother to "stumble" or "is offended or is made weak," even if our conscience is O.K. on the matter. The Bible also tells us to "present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of you mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God" (Romans 12:1-2). The way I see things, just the fact that everyone seems to be drinking is not good reason to participate. Peter reminds us that we are to look at the eternal perspective in all things because we are "sojourners and pilgrims" on this earth. We're just passing through. Therefore, "abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul" (1 Peter 2:11). I can almost hear the objections now from some who might call me a "pietist." There will be some who'll accuse me of being a legalist. They might say that Psalm 104:15 declares that "wine makes glad the heart of man." Didn't they call Jesus a winebibber and a sinner? The problem is, there are many more verses warning against the abuse of alcohol. Proverbs 20:1 says "wine is a mocker," and in every place in both the Old and New Testaments, drunkenness is outright condemned. Ephesians 5:18 tells us to "not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit." This contrasts drunkenness with being Spirit-filled. When people drank wine during the time of the Bible, it was very rarely -- if ever -- done in the same manner it is today. The nature and uses of wine was different. There were certainly no bars around in the same way as there is today. Drinking was not intertwined with the entertainment and sports industry as it is today. There were no billboards and media campaigns promoting drinking that were bombarding people all day long. Instead, wine was part of the sustenance of the Middle Eastern peoples, and in some cases it was used for medicinal purposes (1 Timothy 5:23). Today it is a supplemental luxury used almost exclusively in social settings. I am convinced that the enemy of our souls wants to promote drunkenness as much as possible. He wants to keep many in a daze every moment of their lives so they never get serious with Jesus. The enemy has almost succeeded in doing this in some cultures around the world. Thank you again for your response. God bless |
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6 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 68849 | ||
Inmyheart, Whoever sins is a slave to sin. Alcoholic is a term not found in Scripture, drunkard is. In modern day culture, there are no sinners only victims. Victims of pornography, of alcohol, of drugs, of bad parenting etc., etc.. One of the happiest days of my life was when I "discovered" I was an "alcoholic". I thought I was an evil person controlled by the devil. Imagine that! It was not for many years later that God revealed to me that sobriety did not equal sainthood. He showed me that heaven was not a big AA meeting in the sky. In fact He convinced me that my first suspicion was the right one. I was an evil person and the devil was my master. Halleluia! He set me free!!! I am no longer under the dominion of sin but am now free to love His law and to obey it out of sheer joy and gratitude for the gift of His precious Son. Praise His holy Name! Let us not judge each other in what we eat or drink. Rather let us do all to the glory of Him who has saved us. This is my last word on the topic: Do not touch a drop of alcohol if your conscience has not convinced you of it's lawfulness. In Love. John |
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