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1 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68803 | ||
John, Part 1 I will answer your post in two parts, as there is no possible way for me to briefly address your doubt's. First reason; The making of Alcoholic drink is not strictly a natural process. Many take for granted that if you take the juice of a grape, and let it sit, not refrigerating it, it would automatically turn into wine. This is not true. It takes more than time to make wine. People try to defend drinking with the idea that since God made grapes, alcoholic drink must be OK. But the fact is, God did not make alcohol! Man has learned how to make alcoholic liquors through processes that he has invented. Wine makers know that one must have the correct amount of water, sugar and temperature to make wine. Keeping grape juice in a refrigerator would prevent fermenting, because the temperature is not right. Likewise, hot, tropical temperatures would prevent fermentation. In ancient days, before we had refrigeration, people learned how to preserve the juice of the grape without turning it into alcoholic wine. Many people boiled it down into a thick syrup, preserving it for long periods of time. When they got ready to drink it, they would simply add water to the consistency desired, in much the same way we take frozen concentrates and add water. In Bible days, contrary to what most believe, it was not necessary for everyone to drink alcoholic wine as a table beverage. The making of wine, therefore, requires input from man. It requires certain additives, such as sugar, and the control of temperature, etc. The natural processes will produce fermentation under certain circumstances, that is true, but those processes lead quickly to turning the wine to vinegar. The natural process is perverted by man. Alcoholic drinks must be produced by man, using invented processes, not natural processes. ********************************* Jesus did not drink alcohol or make alcoholic drinks. Heb. 7:26 "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;" The second reason is because of His Holy Nature. No doubt, the Saviour had an air of holiness about Himself that could be seen by the most simple of people. The words of Jesus were different, He had a very holy appearance, character and speech. Why is this so important? Consider this illustration. Suppose we lived during the 1920's prohibition days, and were approached by people offering us a drink of cider. Now, "cider" may mean an alcoholic drink, or plain apple juice. One of the persons, we knew to be one of the holiest men in town, faithful to the house of God, separated from the world, diligent in prayers, always witnessing to others; the other was a known liquor dealer. If each one offered us a drink of "his very own cider", we would assume that the holy person's cider was no more than apple juice, while there would be no doubt about the liquor dealer's cider! Clearly, the character of a person influences what he does. Since Jesus Christ was "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners", we may safely assume He would not make what is called in Scripture "a mocker and deceiver of men," causing untold misery. (con't.) |
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2 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | charis | 68898 | ||
Dear inmyheart, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I do not agree with your two 'reasons' above. First, man has been able to make wine (and stronger drink) for thousands of years with fairly simple processes. You imply that 'invented' processes are evil and ungodly, which would outlaw the computer you are now using, because it CAN be used for evil. Second, you cite the holy nature of Jesus as making Him incapable of fellowship with sinners. Such is not the case while He walked the earth, and certainly He continues to interface with the lives of those who need salvation! Praise God! The quote from Proverbs is clearly speaking of the abuse of wine. Friend, I was saved from alcohol and substance abuse, as well as the sin unto death. Been there, done that. I worked with the drug addicts and alcoholics for years, and still do in my ministry now. I now know that it was not alcohol that enslaved me, but the desire to flee from God (and reality). I abstained from all alcoholic consumption for 20 years, but never preached against it. I preached instead for freedom in Christ Jesus to great effect! A few years ago I was advised by a doctor to have a little red wine for my heart and for my stomach (stress-related). I am aware that there are conflicting thoughts on this issue, but in my case I find that it works. I rarely drink ouside the home, and usually only a half-glass of wine. I find that indeed it is relaxing and stress-relieving, therefore beneficial. I don't get 'tipsy' or drunk, and don't drive. I don't 'push' drinking to anyone, and strongly encourage self-control to those that do. Our church is not a 'drinking' church, nor is it teetotalist. On a side note, we use grape juice for communion. I find that good grape juice is a lot less expensive than good wine, and I don't believe in using 'cheap' anything for the Lord's Supper. :-) If you want to judge this from afar, feel free to do so. If you want to come here and judge for yourself, welcome to Yokohama! But in my estimation, God knows each of us individually, and judges on a case-by-case basis, not according to 'absolute' set of rules and regulations. I do not find "Thou shalt not drink any alcoholic beverage" in my Bible. I only see the wisdom of self-control and temperance. Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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3 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68933 | ||
charis, Type 68925 in the quick search and read what this person says on this topic. To drink or not to drink will always be a controversial subject. As for "been there and done that" thumbs up and bottoms up. God bless |
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4 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | charis | 68936 | ||
Dear inmyheart, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I have read what EdB has to say about drinking, and I see that this has become more of an emotional issue than a Biblical one. Even my esteemed friend and colleague has not found the Scripture that commands, "Thou shalt not drink any alcoholic beverages." Have you? Could you please explain to me what you mean by "thumbs up and bottoms up?" If, perchance, you are speaking of drinking to excess, I find it unamusing and offensive when applied to me or my stance on this issue. :-( In Christ Jesus, charis |
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5 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68939 | ||
charis, In your view; God knows each of us individually, and judges on a case-by-case basis, not according to 'absolute' set of rules and regulations: well, thumbs up(that's your opinion), and bottoms up (if you need that occassional drink). I don't find any part of this topic amusing. You already stated you don't abuse alcohol, so why would you think I was referring to you drinking excessively! If you have read through the thread there are others who agree with your stance, and those who opposse, I for one do not agree to accept this chemical as choice for medical or social use. In Christ Jesus |
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6 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | charis | 68941 | ||
Dear inmyheart, Greetings in the name of Jesus! So far, this thread is ALL opinion, including your contribution. It is your derogatory personal comments I find insulting, implying that I 'need' a drink. Sadly, I find your manners poor and you unworthy of further fellowship. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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7 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68973 | ||
charis, I know that all who posted on this thread, who oppose the use of wine, will appreciate knowing it was ONLY opinion. In your doctor's opinion, you "need a drink" of wine. Not everyone on this forum will agree on ALL topics posted, but SADLY your view of manners outweigh your opinion over a substance (wine), that has destroyed many of lives. |
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