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1 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 68648 | ||
"My counter grenade toss would be: Which verse specifically commands us not to be gluttons? :-)" It has been a long day on the old Forum, hasn't it? For those of you taking Tim seriously, please see Proverbs 23:20-21 for starters. It connects gluttony and drunkenness as "twin sins." You also wrote: "I tossed the questions out in both fun and seriousness though. Is .005 blood alcohol not a sin, but .006 is a sin? Is drunkeness a state of being or a process?" I wouldn't be legalistic enough to identify a blood alcohol level any more than to set a calorie ceiling for gluttony. The key in both is moderation (not seeing how close one can get to the line without crossing it); and as you pointed out, it is never a sin NOT to casually drink alcohol. I think that drunkenness is both a state and a habit. Lastly, you wrote: "But, as I said many times before, I count this as a personal conviction which I would never force on anyone else. I simply don't see any good in alcohol. It doesn't make me more Christ-like, nor more intelligent (I can't spare any brain cells), so I see no reason to do it and many possible reasons to avoid it." This is the same way I feel about lima beans! This discussion comes up again at an interesting time for me, as I have been studying Romans 14 in my personal devotions and have recently gone through 1 Corinthians 8-10 with my wife. I consider this issue to be one that falls pretty squarely in the "adiaphora" category, and these four chapters have a lot to say about the proper use of our freedom in Christ, and how love for our brethren actually should act as a self-constraint on our liberty. Concern for Christ's honor and our brother's welfare should always be the governing principle in these gray areas. One thing that we can all agree on, hopefully: "Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." --1 Corinthians 10:31 --Joe! |
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2 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | Rob Aronson | 68734 | ||
Joe , (but also Tim, Retxar, EdB, Hank, et al.), If you read my long history of posts on this thread, you'll see that we're of one mind concerning this point (using a myriad of applicable scriptures). The opposition has emplored everything from personal feelings, cultural alcoholism, to definitions of New Testament "wine." They have done so with little or thin scriptural backing, though we have supplied conclusive and convincing arguments based on many instances of scripture. There seems to be too much feeling and opinion concerning this matter. If we say that nothing biblical prohibits a glass of wine, then we appear to be making a case for drinking--which is certainly not so from either of us. If we say that drinking any alcoholic beverage (even wine) is evil, then we might possibly condemn even Jesus (because I believe for one that indeed He drank wine--though this is hard for some to take due to their feelings and opinions). I however, believe in being a "Romans 14:21" kind of guy as you've stated, and I don't want this issue to cause trouble. I would though, encourage everyone to read the posts made by John and myself, and see if you can BIBLICALLY refute point for point what we've shown. I've said if before, I'll say it again: we have to look at what the Bible actually says, not what we want it to say or think it says. Take care. I'm going to find a new topic :) I love every last one of ya's, -Rob Special note to Hank: I'm deeply sorry if I've said anything to offend you, in light of hearing about your son. God bless. |
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