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1 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | Rob Aronson | 68705 | ||
Retxar, I handle it like this: I don't drink. When I do, it's not very much, and there's usually some occasion (like a wedding or birthday). As I said before, I'm not making a case for alcohol consumption. But alright, let's see what you've cited. First Proverb 31:4: Prov 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, It is not for kings to drink wine, Or for rulers to desire strong drink, Who's doing the speaking here, where did this instruction/warning come from? His mother. This verse is not a command, and doesn't mean what you're implying. Prov 31:1 The words of King Lemuel, the oracle which his mother taught him: Next you cite Leviticus 10:9: Lev 10:9 "Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die--it is a perpetual statute throughout your generations-- This is to Aaron and his sons telling them, do not drink wine or strong drink when you come into the Tent of Meeting. This verse fails to support your point. Next, Isaiah 28:7: Is 28:7 And these also reel with wine and stagger from strong drink: The priest and the prophet reel with strong drink, They are confused by wine, they stagger from strong drink; They reel while having visions, They totter (when rendering) judgment. This is not a command not to drink either, it's a pronouncement against Ephraim (when you read it in its proper context). This fails to support your point. Lastly, Ezekiel 44:21: Ezek 44:21 "Nor shall any of the priests drink wine when they enter the inner court. When? When shall they not drink wine, or before they do what? These verses don't support your claims. Again, I'm not making a case for alcohol, but only showing the Bible doesn't say about what most people think or want it to say. Yes, I know alcohol is deadly. Yes, I understand that it destroys lives. Etc, Etc, Etc. But it's not what I think or say about it that matters, but what the Bible says. Take care, Rob |
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2 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68713 | ||
Are we kings and priest? | ||||||
3 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | Rob Aronson | 68726 | ||
Rextar, Yes indeed my friend. You're referring to the Revelation: Re:1:6: And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.(KJV) Other versions state this a bit differently, but since this is the one you've cited we'll discuss it (coincidentally, I think the KJV translates this verse best--but that's my opinion). Revelation 1:6 is a promise yet to come. Christ has done it, but we have not yet recieved that position in this world (though someday soon). However, what you're implying through the verses you've gathered together and along with this one, is a admonition not to drink alcohol. These verses collectively give you that general impression (and if you're wise you'll see that warning and follow it), but they do not expressly state it, neither is it a commandment (though there is some Levitical guidance for priests). Speaking for myself, I don't plan on consuming any alcohol during the millenial rule. I've certainly understood the "general message" that over-indulgence in alcohol is not consistent with following Christ. I have no problem conceeding this point. What I've said all along though, is that drinking wine is not the sin, but that drunkeness is. Take care, -Rob |
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4 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 68736 | ||
Thanks bro. That's the way I see it too; we are kings and priest and that position will be fully realized when we are with Jesus. Thanks for your exchange with me on this issue and for considering the point I was trying to make; our conduct is important because Jesus has put us in a position of influence and obligation as kings and priest. I am glad you see what I have presented as wise guidelines to follow and that they do apply to us. Like I have already said, I will not be dogmatic about this, and I will not impose what I accept as a command for myself, on others who see it as only a guideline. God bless my friend, retxar |
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