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1 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36849 | ||
continued... Yes we must do all that the Lord has commanded including being baptised or as Jesus said we are worshiping Him in Vain! Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men And Jesus said, Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned And that is exactly what the Apostles did on the Day of Pentacost. They preached the Gospel to them and they said Acts 2 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit 41Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them and later we read that the Lord is the one who adds to the church. Verse 47 "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." No matter how hard anyone trys to take baptism out of salvation you still can't do it. Baptism is the thorn in the side of denominationalism. It always has been and always will be. Jesus said John 15 18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Just as God set up Laws in the Old Testement to live by the New Testment is our Law and its the only Law. No wonder Jesus said Matthew 7 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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2 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 36854 | ||
Greetings Raven! Thanks for your response my friend! Since there are so many verses to deal with, how about narrowing the topic down some. Let's compare two verses. You quoted Mk. 16:16 - "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" I quoted Acts 16:31 - "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." If you are correct about baptism being necessary for salvation than Paul gave an inaccurate answer in Acts 6:31. He said that all that was necessary for salvation was to believe and did not mention baptism! Was Paul wrong? Did he give an inaccurate answer? How could he have possible forgotten to mention baptism if it were necessary for salvation? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36878 | ||
Ok lets look at the conversion of Saul. And see what he did and must have been told to do. Acts 9 6So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord said to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." 15But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake." 17And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus,[2] who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized. 19So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus. Saul Preaches Christ 20 Immediately he preached the Christ[3] in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God. Now here we see that Saul(Paul) was baptised and went and preached the Christ. Another conversion was Lydia. The bible says, "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. 15And when she and her household were baptized" The scripture you quote is very similar but you are twisting it a bit by not reading it in context. It says: "30And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized." Notice Paul it says they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. He and his family had to be preached to first so they would understand Jesus. Then the next scripture says: "33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized" Now I might ask you the same question. Did Jesus make an inaccurate statment? Why did He say be baptized if it wasn't needed? I think you can see that one is no good without the other. In each of the above examples the word of God was preached resulting in baptism of the believer. It cannot be denied. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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4 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | childoftheking | 36886 | ||
Greetings Raven, Praise God!! Thank you for your well thought our response that you sent me earlier. I'm responding to this instead of the one you sent me becuase it seems it was your latest post. I am not, in my stance, denying the importance of Baptism, just that to me, it does not appear to be a prerequisite for the Salvation of one’s soul. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" Raven, you said: “It is true that baptism without belief will not save. For why would a person be baptized if they believe not. Mark 16:16 says that he that does not believe will be condemned. It is not necessary to say "and not be baptized”” If Baptism is sorely needed for Salvation, then why not say “and not be baptized” ? You’re saying that Baptism is needed for the Salvation of one’s soul: For this logic the passage should read: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" Of course it doesn’t say that because the one ingredient for Salvation comes after the “but” which is “believe”. Compare this simplistic analogy. "He who has a license and a car can drive, but he who has no license cannot." So, no matter what you do, you need a License to drive. However, you can still drive without owning a car but it’s illegal to drive any car without a license. Ephesians 2:8 “For by Grace are ye saved, through Faith….” Romans 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” KJV Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Why no mention of Baptism in any of those verses? You also mentioned Lydia, which is in Acts 16: “Another conversion was Lydia. The bible says, "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. 15And when she and her household were baptized” The word "baptized" ("ebaptisqh" from the Textus Receptus Greek Text) here is the same word that is used in Luke 11:38 for “washed” which says: “And when the Pharisee saw [it], he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.” The NASB has it as “ceremonially washed”. This is also the same word that is used for when Paul(Saul) was Baptized in Acts 9:18, the same word as in Acts 16:33 "And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was "baptized", he and all his, straightway.", and also the same as when Jesus himself was Baptized in Mark 1:9. The Greek word Baptized means: baptizo bap-tid'-zo from a derivative of baptw - bapto to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:--Baptist, baptize, wash. You also said: “Now I might ask you the same question. Did Jesus make an inaccurate statement? Why did He say be baptized if it wasn't needed?” As I put in my last post, what of this woman that Jesus said that her faith had saved her but didn’t mention anything of Baptism? Luke 7:48 “Then He said to her, "Your sins have been forgiven." Verse 50 “And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." Thanks for sharing your views Love in Christ bgg |
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