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1 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36845 | ||
Why does the majority of the religous world deny the scriptures concerning baptism? When it is so clear that a person would have to be blind not to see it and read it. The entire bible centers around mans obediance to the will of God. Obediance, does this word give you a sick feeling? Is it hard for a person of your status to humble himself to be obedient to the word of God? Lets look at examples in the Old Testament first of obediance to Gods will. Gen 6 we read that God was sorry that He ever made man and was going to destroy them. But Noah verse 8 found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Noah was commanded to build an ark that would hold his family food and the animals 7 clean and 2 unclean. But Noah was also commanded to use only Gopher wood. And we should thank God that he did or we might not be here today. And so you know the rest of the story. But the key word obediance is specefied in verses 6:22, 7:5, 7:9 and 7:16. Noah did as God commanded. Moveing on to Moses briefly, the construction of the tabernacle was extremly intricate. From Exodus 25-Exodus 31 the patteren for the tabernacle and priesthood was established. And God told Moses in verse 25:9 according to all that I show you, just so you make it. And from Ch. 35-39 the priesthood clothes and tabernacle funiture was made. And in Ch.39 it says concerning the construction of the tabernacle and all that was in them, ten times, Moses did according to all that the Lord had commanded him. Obediance to God is the only way to show our belief. And obediance is demanded of us. You say that we are given our salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Well I submit to you that God give Jericho to Joshua and and the people of Israel, but they still had to march around the city once for six days and seven times on the seventh. Obediance to God is what give them this victory. You remember the story of Naaman? He was commander of the army of the king of Syria. It says he was a great and honorable man and a mighty man of valor, but a leper. He went to see Elisha to be cleansed of the leprosy. He was told by a mesenger to go an wash in the river Jordan seven times. But wanting to have his way instead of Gods way, he wanted to substitute the rivers Abanah and Pharpar. He was furious because on the way to see Elisha he already had it figured out in his mind how he would make him well. He said, "Behold I thought". And then something was said to him by his servants, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do something great, would you not have done it?" So Naaman rethought his position, went and washed and was cleansed. We have to do as we are told when concerning the will of God. There can be no man made substitutions. Obediance to the will of God is the only way. By these few examples can you not see that we must do all that the Lord has commanded us. And it doesn't matter if it is only spoken one time. If it was not something that God did not want us to do or to know it wouldn't be in the bible. The sad thing about most denominational churches is according to their creed book one is saved by accepting or believing in Christ, nothing more, but to become a member of the their church they require baptism. Thus requiring more for one to become a member of their church than God requires of us to be saved! Its just not right! In Proverbs 14:12 we read: Proverbs 14 12There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. And if we look at the example of Nanab and Abihu we can see that only death can result in not doing as the Lord has commanded. Leviticus 10 2So fire went out from the LORD and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Also Moses who struck the rock instead of speak to it was told he would not enter the promised land. Numbers 20 12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them to be continued.... Raven |
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2 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 36882 | ||
Hello Raven Let's get to the heart of the matter--Abraham. Here is a man declared righteous by God upon believing. No baptism; no circumcision; no nothing. He is then used by Paul in Romans 4 as the prime example of the same requirement for us--faith alone. Steve |
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3 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36969 | ||
Hello Steve, Here again is a prime example of not reading the entire measage of the Gospel. Picking and choosing that which we want to believe and throwing the the rest out. The bible also says this about faithful Abraham: Hebrews 11 (1) 8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. It says that by faith Abraham "OBEYED" And on in to the same book it says: Hebrews 11 The Faith of the Patriarchs (1) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18of whom it was said, "In Isaac your seed shall be called,"[1] 19concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense. And this passage says Abraham "OFFERED UP ISAAC" Both passages show a "work of faith" and thats the kind of works we need! Not of somthing we can boast about as in Eph. 2:8. We must obey from the heart! Romans 6 17But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you "obeyed from the heart" that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. Yes Abraham was faithful but not faithful to the point of doing nothing. This next set of scripture says that Abraham was "justified by works". Faith working together with works faith is made perfect. James 2 Faith Without Works Is Dead (1) 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your[1] works, and I will show you my faith by my[2] works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[3] 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."[4] And he was called the friend of God. 24You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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4 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 36978 | ||
Hello Raven You've missed the whole point of what I said. Genesis 15:6 (ESV) And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness. Romans 4:2-3 (ESV) For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." Please consider the enormity of what has happened here. Upon belief Abraham was righteous and just in God's sight. Yes, that faith was perfected by works, no question. But that's a separate issue. Steve |
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