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1 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | Cyclist | 36496 | ||
RAVEN and John Reformed, Good Day to you! I noticed that the question regarding speaking in tongues got into the subject of it being nessesary to be baptized in order to be saved. I have a question on this subject Reference Luke 23:32 through 43. (32)...Two others also, who were criminals,... (42)...Jesus, Remember me when You come in Your Kingdom. (43)..., Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in paradise. My question is, and not challenging you but would just like to know, was the criminal excused from baptism? If the criminal was from that region he would have heard of John the baptist wouldn't he? That may be an unfair question because we do not know where the criminal was from. I would welcome comments from anyone on the forum. Much Love in Christ, Cyclist |
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2 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36638 | ||
Hello Cyclist, Yes, at this point Jesus was still alive on the cross, fully human and full diety. We cannot second guess what Jesus did in saving the thief on the cross beside him. For Jesus was able to look into the thiefs heart and see that he had repented for what he must have done to deserve being crucified plus would also have known that the thief believed Jesus was the Son of God and could save him if he wanted to. But this does not mean that only belief saves today. Jesus forgave many sins while He was ministering to the people. Matt 9:2, Lk 7:47-49 and Jn. 8:11 But the people needed signs to believe for they did not have the complete bible as we have today. Mark 16 20And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.[1] John 4:48 Then Jesus said to him, "Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe." John 20 That You May Believe 30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. But remember Jesus has comanded baptism. Matthew 28 19Go therefore[1] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Mark 16 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. We cannot second guess Jesus while He was with us on Earth. But now this is the way He has said for us to be saved. Remember John 14:15 And for the rest that had heard of John the Baptist and were baptised by him these still need to be re baptised into Christ. Acts 19 Paul at Ephesus Paul's Preaching Causes a Riot at Ephesus 1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." 4Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Hope this has helped Raven |
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3 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | Cyclist | 36643 | ||
RAVEN, According to your comments belief alone will not save us, baptism is required, and, I will assume that baptism without beleif will not save us either. Not to get into "trifles" but, Does "deathbed" salvation not exist? Again, not a challenge, I am just eager to learn. Rev 21:6 Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost. In Him, Cyclist |
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4 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36669 | ||
It is true that baptism without belief will not save. For why would a person be baptized if they believe not. Mark 16:16 says that he that does not believe will be condemed. It is not necessary to say "and not be baptized." And for death bed salvation, my answer would be that it is in Gods hands. But from the scripture we know that we must be baptized. Theres just no way around it. In Acts 8:35 when Philip was speaking to the eunuch it says "he preached Jesus to him" and when he understood and believed Philip baptized him. A person has a responsibility like the eunuch to find the truth and obey it before its to late. Please read the following scriptures. Mark 13 No One Knows the Day or Hour (6) 32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming--in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning-- 36lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!" Luke 17 The Coming of the Kingdom (3) 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21nor will they say, "See here!' or "See there!'[4] For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." 22Then He said to the disciples, "The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23And they will say to you, "Look here!' or "Look there!'[5] Do not go after them or follow them. 24For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. 31"In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32Remember Lot's wife. 33Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."[6] 37And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together." (To clarify the two men in one bead is speaking of sick men in a sick bed. The Greek word used for bed in this context actualy means sick bead. Informations is from the Strongs Concordance.) Your life is a vapor. Make the most of it while you can. James 4 Do Not Boast About Tomorrow 13 Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will[1] go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit"; 14whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15Instead you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that." To sum it up theres only to things to ask about a person after they die to know if they are saved. 1. Did they obey the Gospel? 2. Did they live a Christian life? Hope this helps. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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5 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | Cyclist | 36679 | ||
RAVEN, Super post! Thanks for giving this your attention! Cyclist |
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6 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36681 | ||
Your welcome! If I can try and help you with another question please let me know. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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