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1 | Jesus is wisdom argument leads nowhere. | Rev 3:14 | Pastor Glenn | 96874 | ||
Truthfinder, I am glad that you realize that God had wisdom throughout all eternity. But, would God say things like: Matthew 4:10b ... "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve."'[ Deuteronomy 6:13] and then throw in "His junior partner"? Is He trying to confuse us? The answer is no. We can serve Jesus because He is also God. Notice that without recognizing Christ's full deity, you can not worship Jesus, you can not really honor Jesus fully, you cannot fully respect Him for who He is. I challenge you now to show me one scripture that warns us not to worship Christ, or to honour Him, or show Him too much respect. Deuteronomy 6:13 cannot be used since Heb 1 shows even the angels must worship Him. By your theology it seems that any angels could have stepped in and died for our sins. But what angel would have had power to get back up from the dead as Christ did by His own power? John 10 17"Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." 19Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. |
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2 | Jesus is wisdom argument leads nowhere. | Rev 3:14 | Truthfinder | 96928 | ||
Hi Pastor Glenn, Yes, Glenn, In Luke 4:8 or Mat 4:10, Jesus quoted that verse of Deut 6:13 in reply to Satan where he says: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” I see here that Jesus is saying that the acceptable worship to the Sovereign One of the universe should be Jesus’ Father, Jehovah and to direct our worship to him (Jesus as the universal Sovereign) would be contradictory to this mandate. How do you read it? . "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve."' Since yhvh is replaced here in Mat 4:10 (yhvh is in Deut 6:13) in the translation you quote from, with the Hebrew word adonai or Greek kurios, do you subsequently conclude that Jesus was telling Satan to worship himself (Jesus)? If so, then that’s the whole point of our discussion. Originally yhvh was in the Bible over 6,000 times for a reason. That reason was to maintain the Father’s, the Almighty God’s true identity. You also ask: By your theology it seems that any angels could have stepped in and died for our sins. But what angel would have had power to get back up from the dead as Christ did by His own power? Jehovah God sent his only be-gotten son as John 1: 1 identifies as the “Word” and also says he was “with” God. John 1:14; 14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he actually cried out—this was the one who said [it]—saying: “The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, because he existed before me.”) 16 For we all received from out of his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him. This verse also tells us Glenn, that man has “seen” Jesus but not God. It tells us too that Jesus, the only-begotten god has explained the Almighty God. The unparalleled “unity” in thought and love is there between Jesus and Jehovah. That is why Jesus could rightly say in John 14:6; 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If YOU men had known me, YOU would have known my Father also; from this moment on YOU know him and have seen him.” 8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him: “Have I been with YOU men so long a time, and yet, Philip, you have not come to know me? He that has seen me has seen the Father [also]. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? I stress again the point that Jesus makes in verse 10, “I am in union with the Father”, not that he is the Father, Almighty God. 1 John 2:5 shows that we as mere men also can be in union with the Father by saying, . 5 But whoever does observe his word, truthfully in this [person] the love of God has been made perfect. By this we have the knowledge that we are in union with him." I honestly believe that if the Jewish scibes has not changed the original "inspired Scriptures" that this difference of thought would not be here between you and me. Truthfinder |
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3 | Jesus is wisdom argument leads nowhere. | Rev 3:14 | Pastor Glenn | 96945 | ||
Truthfinder, About your last statement: "I honestly believe that if the Jewish scibes has not changed the original "inspired Scriptures" that this difference of thought would not be here between you and me." Are you saying that the not Christian jewish scribes changed the old testament scriptures so that YHWH was taken out? If this were so then we had no reliable manuscripts at the time of Christ's ministry. Why wouldn't Christ have corrected this alledged blunder? Why wouldn't the dead sea scrolls have shown this descrepancy? "I stress again the point that Jesus makes in verse 10, “I am in union with the Father”, not that he is the Father, Almighty God. 1 John 2:5 shows that we as mere men also can be in union with the Father by saying, . 5 But whoever does observe his word, truthfully in this [person] the love of God has been made perfect. By this we have the knowledge that we are in union with him." It is only possible for us to be in union with God if we confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. If Christ is not God to us, then we cannot have unity with the Father. Pastor Glenn |
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