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1 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | beensetfree | 58302 | ||
Dear Ivory313: Am greatly distressed by this sad news shared. Will be praying for you in this time of turmoil. Totally am in agreement with Pastor Paul's advice, but agree that you not go alone first time out. This "professor" teaching theology in a seminary MUST be confronted, lovingly but firmly. He is teaching by words and deeds, future pastors/leaders of Christ's Church. He must be corrected for many reasons, but primarily due to the high standard by which he is held due to being a teacher of God's Word and by which he will be judged. There is much at stake! Be strong and courageous in the faith He has given you. God's Word is truly the sword of truth. I also think you have an obligation to go to the Dean of Academics of the seminary while also speaking to the "prof." God bless. | ||||||
2 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58336 | ||
In one of his letters Paul is writing about the eating of meat sacrificed at the altars of idols. He says he doesn't think it's a sin because there is no other god but God. He says if its in the market place, don't ask where the meat came from, just eat it. He says if its offered in someone's house, don't ask where the meat came from, just eat it. But he says if someone tells you it is meat from an idol altar sacrifice, don't eat it. He says don't eat it NOT because to do so is sin (it isn't), but because the guy down the table may think it's a sin (which would make it a sin for him to eat it) but he'll see you eating it and think he can get away with it too. THEN you're sinning by eating it because you have led someone else to sin because they used/viewed you as their example. The Bible also says, if your brother sins you must rebuke him; then when he repents you must forgive him. Your pastor has sinned. He has 'eaten meat' that he KNOWS is a sin AND he has sinned by his example since at least you know about it. But our job isn't to judge him. We just point out what he's done, rebuke him, so he has a chance to repent. Who knows? Maybe he has already done that, repented the act itself, and has been forgiven. But has he repented of the example he set for you? Paul also says that we aren't to give offense, but obviously his actions have offended. You are sitting there in prayer and worship and thinking about what he has done instead of prayer and worship! No church is going to be perfect until Jesus is ready to return, but we have to STRIVE for it. We also have to stay in that church unless God leads us to leave it. Don't be run out of your church or church period by the actions of one. Love him, pray for him, and tell him the turmoil and offense he has created in you. You need to forgive him for you. |
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3 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | Searcher56 | 58389 | ||
Eating idol meat was a sin to some, but not to others. Sexuaul sins violates Scripture, therefore is a sin to all. Your analogy is wrong. The pastor must go and never preach again. Searcher | ||||||
4 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58549 | ||
I answered you in the other note, but I'll say it here, too. No where in the Scripture does it say that the pastor must go and never preach again. Nowhere. And if he is truly repentent and has been forgiven, then he has a testimony that will serve to teach others to avoid the pitfalls and traps that ensnared him. That is valuable teaching. No one would be served by preventing it but the devil, and anything that confounds him to it I say, Amen! And sin is sin. Repentance brings forgiveness for all of it or none of it. You want to live by the Law, that's your choice, but I don't want any of it. I'll take forgiveness and Grace. |
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5 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | John Reformed | 58571 | ||
What then should we sin so grace may abound? There is such a thing as church discipline. Just because we forgive someone does not mean that they should not bear the temporal consequences of their actions. When I am slothful in my business I feel convicted and ask theLord to forgive me and to give me the grace to resist my lazy nature. Ithen stand on the promise of God that: 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". But at the end of the month I am going to see a negative effect show up in my sales. As a man sows, so shall he reap. John |
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6 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58613 | ||
But you don't just continue being lazy do you? No. And have corrected your behavior, you see your improvement on next month's report. I guess, I try to think of how Jesus would react and while Paul had no problem being harsh, Jesus never was. If a man or woman repented, He forgave. He didn't demand the consequences demanded by the Law. This man if fired, would lose his income, his home, and his wife's income. If he is truly repentent, has been rebuked, publically repented, and accepts his church's censure of his behavior, he should be tossed on the street, and forbidden to ever teach the Gospel again? I don't know. It just seems unnecessarily cruel and heavy handed. |
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7 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | John Reformed | 58679 | ||
Dear Paul, In answer to your first question, I am sorry to say that slothfulness is a sin that I must resist on a daily basis. But I have placed my trust in Him who is the author and finisher of my faith. He has brought me out of the bondage of many besetting sins over the years and I have no reason to believe that He won't deliver me from this current trial. The fact that I suffer financialy is a blessing because it is a goad that prompts me to me to get busy. I don't understand your 2nd point that speaks about the difference between Jesus and Paul. You wrote: "I try to think of how Jesus would react and while Paul had no problem being harsh, Jesus never was. If a man or woman repented, He forgave. He didn't demand the consequences demanded by the Law." Can you explain to me what you mean? Jesus was very harsh towards the pharisees and even came down hard on His disciples when they needed it. Neither Paul or Jesus demanded the consequence of the Law (eternal damnation) on christians. As far as this man's loss of income goes, it may be the best thing for him. If we could sin without experiencing the negative consequences then what would prompt us to repent? What would be worse to lose one's income or to lose one's experience of the presence of God? In the meantime we have seemed to forget about the fallen sister. If I'm not mistaken, was'nt she a student? How old was she? Was she a christian? Are we to blame her? What I am trying to say is that this situation demands action on the part of the church. I know I sound harsh but this man must accept his punishment and work hard and pray that God will restore him once again to a position of trust. If he is truly repententent he should be forgiven, but it forgiveness will not restore the faith of the people in a fallen leader. It will take time for him to demonstrate through living a godly life the reality of his repentence. John |
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8 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58711 | ||
No, actually, I don't think you sound harsh at all. I too believe action must be taken. I just don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. And yes, I know that Jesus could be harsh. "oh you hyprocrits" what??? 9 or 10 times in one chapter? And tossing the money changers out. And dead bones was probably a pretty deadly insult, but my relationship with Jesus is personal. I can't step out of the box of unconditional love that He fills me and surrounds me with in my fellowship with Him through the Holy Spirit. Paul, until this morning, was someone I had read about it, but had never communicated with on any personal level, so that would be why I could say he was more harsh. I hated this forum yesterday, but today is another day. I am really loving the places it is leading me and the way it is driving me to clarify in my own mind so many things. God bless you, and thank you for caring Melanie |
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