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1 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | BradK | 220027 | ||
Hello dodoy, So then, you appear to be postulating a "works based salvation" that's not really eternal in that one can never truly know he's saved? At what point does one merit eternal life, and conversely, a what point does one's actions cause them to be blotted out of the Book of Life? Understanding a bit of your background (SDA), I can see why you hold to the position you do. However, in this there is absolutely no assurance, and is ultimately based on the sum total of our good works! A works-based race to the end...essentially. Rom 11:6 "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace." (NASB) Have a Happy Hew Year BradK |
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2 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | dodoy | 220046 | ||
Thanks BradK for the time spent in browsing over my post for Pastor Beja. Salvation from sin is God's work FOR man, for all men, all kinds of men. All grace, no work from man. After being saved from sin, God works IN man, both "to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Phil 2:12). Only those who positively respond will NOT be blotted out by Christ Himself from the Book of Life. Since it is God who works IN us, it is NOT "ultimately based on the sum total of our good works". I understand you as telling me that based on what I posted "there is absolutely no assurance" of salvation. Please study the whole chapter of Romans 11 again. I'll just quote verses 22 and 23. "22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again."(NASB) On my part, I quite notice the similarity of cutting off of grafted branches with the blotting out of names from the book of life. Did you notice it, too? How would you correlate these verses with the assurance of salvation? I do appreciate what others in this forum tell me. But if I am wrong, please show me from Scriptures. Show me that my use of Scriptures is improper, if need be. Show me please, NOT just tell me. Sincerely, dodoy |
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3 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | BradK | 220048 | ||
Hello dodoy, Here's a few brief observations: 1. I understand Phil. 2:12-13. These verses constitute one complete sentence in the Greek. The emphasis in the last half of this sentence is entirely on what God does! God is the one working(energon) in you. It literally means, "working in", "producing in", "accomplishing in" you. The present participle means God is the One continuosly energizing in you! 2. Rev. 3:5 does not say, "Only those who positively respond will NOT be blotted out by Christ Himself from the Book of Life." It is dealing with yet future events- and addressed specifically to the Church in Sardis. Where does the rest of Scripture teach that a believer can have his name blotted out of the Book of Life? If one can effectively loose his salvation, i.e. have his name blotted out, then salvation is not wholly dependent upon God, but on what WE ultimately do! I think both an understanding of Faith and justification are being left out of this equation! 3. Rom. 11:22-23 is not dealing with or addressing loss of salvation! In these verses Paul is referring to the Jews, the natural branches, who have been broken off. Severity is upon those who have fallen, i.e., upon the jews who have been cut off, left in their unbelief, and who reject the Person of Jesus Christ! I would see the unregenerate (unbeliever) under the severity of God, and those who are genuine believers under the kindness of God. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | dodoy | 220051 | ||
Hi, BradK, Thanks for your post. This is my response to your observations: 1. I agree with your observation No. 1; that's actually what I understand those verses mean. 2. Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand you as saying that the blotting or erasing of names from [or the retention of names in] the book of life only applies to the Church in Sardis. I can not agree, based on: a. If I agree, then I must also agree that only those of the Church in Ephesus can eat of the tree of life (Rev 2:1-7); b. If I agree, then I must also agree that only those from the Church in Smyrna can not be hurt by the second death (Rev 2:8-11). Salvation from sin can not be lost. It has been accomplished by God FOR man. What the Infinite has done can not be undone by finite man. If a man losts something, the 'act of losing' is his own act. Erasing of names from the book of life is Christ's act, not man's. Therefore,erasing of names from the book of life is NOT man's losing his salvation from sin; it is Christ's act that effectively disallows the non-overcomer from inheriting eternal life. 3. Don't take this against anyone, but please take another time to study Romans 11 again. Sincerely, dodoy |
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5 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | BradK | 220052 | ||
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