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NASB | Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able also to save forever (completely, perfectly, for eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede and intervene on their behalf [with God]. |
Subject: Is Salvation lump sum? |
Bible Note: Dodoy, I believe its time that I washed my hands of this discussion. Normally I would have known better but your personal profile made me believe you really wanted to learn. I can see now that is not true. At this point I could fully explain your view to another person. Because I've asked questions, listend, and tried to understand you. You have not done so with with my view. Let me address a few statements and then I'll not reply further. 1. You asked if I have scripture to support that judging sin is judging people. Isaiah 53:5 says, "He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities." How is it that the judgment of our sin was the death of a person? And if the judgment of our sins was the death of a person what do you imagine it means when the sins of the world is judged? The rocks and trees? 2. You look for a text that says judging sins is the same as judging people? You might as well look for a text saying that the sky is blue. It is the assumption in every sacrifice made in the old testament when an animal takes the place and the sins of the people is placed upon it. 3. You said that Christ working in us is your defense to God leaving us to finish part of it, but you ignored the part of my post where I predicted that very response from you (because I was listening to you in other posts, trying to understand you.) Because then you must either say that God helps some effectively and others He does not, or once again His working in us gives us all partial help and then we must make up the difference. 4. You want scriptural proof that being saved from sin is to be saved from the lake of fire? My friend that is what all of Christianity has seen the text to plainly mean. Why are any thrown into the lake of fire if not for sin? Failing to overcome? 5. You claim that I need verses to back up such logic then you say "that because Christ came to save sinners, and since all are sinners therefore christ saved all?" Sir, there are children that could show you how short that logic falls. It would be like me saying that I went to the grocery store to buy food, and it is all food, therefore I came to buy all of it. Just because Christ came to save sinners, does not mean all sinners are saved. 6. Yet in all of this you still have not responded to what I think is the greatest hole in your thinking. You still have not explained what being saved from sin does mean to you. Your reasoning is that there are those who are justified and glorified who then perish in the lake of fire? You have robbed "saved" "justified" and "glorified" of any meaning whatsoever. What do these terms then mean if not what I am saying? To sum it up: You continue to cry out for verses to show you wrong, while what you are saying has gaping holes. And you say, do not show me the holes, rather refute the assertions I am making. Understand this, any heresy can make sense out of their favorite verses. It is the verses they DON'T want to discuss that shows them wrong. But I'm finished. The reason I began the discussion is no longer there. God bless you. In Christ, Beja |