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NASB | Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able also to save forever (completely, perfectly, for eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede and intervene on their behalf [with God]. |
Subject: Is Salvation lump sum? |
Bible Note: Dear Doc, In slightly echoing what doday has asked, if "predestination," "election," and "predetermination" (and the different forms of those terms) mean that Person A from before the foundation of the earth was bound to be saved, and Person B from before the foundation of the earth was bound to not be saved, doesn't render the Great Commission unnecessary because whether or not the gospel is preached, what is to be will be? Doesn't it render passages that state "whosoever," and "all," etc. as contradictory, because the invitation wouldn't be to whosoever, nor to all for what was decided before the foundations were laid was already determined? Wouldn't that make the debate between Armenianism and Calvinism a given, as there would be no free-will, all would simply be nothing more than puppets in some horrible game? Doesn't that cause passages to contradict other passages? (We know that isn't true, so how do we reconcile the passages that use the terms "whosoever," "all," etc. to passages that uses the terms "predestined," "elected," "predetermined," etc. with the above picture those latter terms suggest?) (Just to make matters clear, the above is NOT what I believe - but when those terms, predestined, predetermined and/or election, are used, that is the picture I get. And from conversations with others, it's the picture lots of people get when faced with those terms.) I am not in agreement with universal salvation in that all will be saved when all is said and done, but I do believe that ALL were potentially saved by Messiah's work on the cross. I believe the one thing God cannot (or, rather, will not) do is force everyone, or anyone to accept and appropriate that salvation into their personal lives (even though that is His desire). Whether or not Persons A or B accept this free gift may be known by God, but not actually DECIDED beforehand by Him. That would cause salvation and grace to not be a gift. Wouldn't it? because a gift is given freely, but for it to benefit the one it's given to, it has to be received, accepted. The gift can be turned down, but with those particular terms in use, it sounds like those who appear to have turned it down were never given the opportunity to make a decision, yea or nay? In short, I have to admit that those particular words (or maybe the choice to use those words instead of some other terms) leaves me baffled because the picture they paint is contradictory to other passages. (Note, I'm saying the PICTURE is contradictory, NOT so much the passages proper in which they appear.) HELP!!?? Dhaniei |