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1 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | dodoy | 219945 | ||
It appears that the Bible uses different tenses for salvation (All verses are from NASB): 1. "have been saved" Romans 8:24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees? Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 2. "are being saved" 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 2 Corinthians 2:15 For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; 3. "shall be saved" Matthew 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved. Romans 5:9-10 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. 10 For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. Does it follow that if a person "has been saved" he is also "being saved" and "shall be saved" likewise? |
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2 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | DocTrinsograce | 219958 | ||
Dear Dodoy, The word salvation cover a number of specific set of steps or blessings. Scripture reveals them in a specific logical order (ordo salutis). Thus, when we speak of election and atonement, it is something that took place in the past (Ephesians 1:4; John 19:30) -- as did our regeneration (Titus 3:5). Progressive sanctification (Ephesians 4:22-25) takes place in the present life of the believer, but will find its consummation when we are taken to be with Him (1 John 3:2). There are other future elements as well. Consequently, there is no inconsistency to speak of having been saved, being saved, and ultimately saved. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | dodoy | 219959 | ||
Dear Doc, Thanks for the response. It's not that I want to insist on what I presently know; I just would like to be clarified based on what the Bible really tells us. With this, Doc, would it just be alright for me to ask you some questions? Pastor Beja promised me a fitting response this week relative to what I wrote in my profile. While waiting for his response, you could perhaps sort out things for me. I could compare your inputs with his once I receive his reply. Is this OK with you, Doc? Again, thanks. |
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4 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | DocTrinsograce | 219964 | ||
Dear dodoy, I would be happy to answer any explicit questions you may have, to the best of my ability. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | dodoy | 219967 | ||
Thanks for being accommodating, Doc. I'd like to start with the first verse you gave in your initial post for me. Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love (NASB) I would like to be clarified on whom Paul is referring to with the "us" and the "we" in the verse. Presently, I understand it to mean just almost everybody because "God so loved the world..." (John 3:16) and "...God is not one to show partiality" (Acts 10:34). If it does not bother you in any way, I would appreciate Bible verses to back up the explanations. |
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6 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | DocTrinsograce | 219968 | ||
Dear dodoy, To determine the subject of a pronoun we use an important principle of interpretation called context. One of the first things you would want to know in interpreting any kind of document would be who is writing and to whom is he writing. The book of Ephesians starts out with an epistolary style common to all letters of the day. Verse 1 read, "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus." Hence, the answer to your question, is that the apostle Paul is speaking to the Church at Ephesus -- the sanctified and faithful followers of Jesus Christ. In Him, Doc |
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7 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | dodoy | 219970 | ||
Dear Doc, If I understood you correctly, in effect, the "us" and the "we" refer only to the sanctified and faithful followers of Jesus Christ of all ages? If so, then the apostle Paul was, in a way, telling the Church at Ephesus that only the sanctified and faithful followers of Christ were chosen by God and predestined for adoption as sons through Christ, with all others excluded? If this was really what the apostle Paul meant, why did he tell Timothy that God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."? 1 Timothy 2:4, NASB. |
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8 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | Dhaniei Zewditu | 219974 | ||
P.S. Doc, doday did get it right about the geocentric theory. I was just trying to make the point that just because something has been the accepted for a long time doesn't mean that there is no room for further inquiry. We shouldn't just simply accept things as true just because we've always been taught that, nor because they are so old, nor because they were taught by someone revered. We were not created simply puppets in a horrible game where we have no role in what happens to us. Rather, we were given minds, knowledge, wisdom, faith, curiosity to learn from what came before us and move ever upward. (I think I recall you having some posts on Progressive Revelation? Doesn't that still apply?) I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes, or offended anyone. This was not my intention. Truly. Dhaniei |
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