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1 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | disciplerami | 75564 | ||
Not if you have no free will. If you have free will, then yes you can lose it. Hebrews 6:6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." I know that most people don't believe this because they've slipped down the slippery slope of 'total depravity', but the doctrine of eternal security is false. A Christian is not perfect and as long as he keeps the faith, walks in the light, carries the cross daily, then the blood of God's Son cleanses him continually (1 John 1). But if he steps out of the light, tantamount to turning away from and shaking a fist at God, then the grace stops. James 5:19,20. Good day. |
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2 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | Robert Nicholson | 75582 | ||
You state "the doctrine of eternal security is false". I find that when professing Christians make quick comments such as this the warning flags go up for me. Why can I not rest upon the Words of the Lord Jesus in which he speaks of giving eternal life? In fact as Peter said, "to whom shall we go for thou hast the words of eternal life?"(John 6:68) The life which Christ gives to the guilty sinner is not temporary or dependent on the works or faithfulness of the person who needs a Savior. The reason we need such a savior is that we are condemned already, we are without strength and we cannot earn or keep our salvation. God's salvation rests upon the finished work of Christ on the cross who "offered one sacrifice for sins for ever..."(Heb. 10:12) Eternal or everlasting life becomes the possession of those who rest where God has rested in the work and worth of the sacrifice of Christ. According to Eph. 2:1 we "who were dead in tresspasses and sins" have been quickened or made alive in Christ. In John 1:13 speaking of those who received him and believed on his name "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" This is reinforced by the Lord Jesus who taught Nicodemus that "we must be born from above" (John 3:3,5,7) "For by grace are ye saved (we are saved), through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God not of works lest any should boast" Eph. 2:8-9 God wants us to have eternal life and he wants us to know for sure that we have it. One verse which comes to mind is "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that you have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God" How can we suggest eternal security is false in the face of the words of Jesus himself "Whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life." On Christ salvation rests secure The rock of ages must endure Nor can the faith be overthrown Which rests upon the living Stone. Robert |
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3 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | sniper | 75586 | ||
Robert, You have quoted many scriptures with which I agree. God does want us to have eternal life and God wants us to be sure of our salvation. However, you have not dealt with the question. Can you walk away from your salvation? Can you lose it? Can you ignore Hebrews chapter 6? Remember, Hebrews was written to Christians. How about Hebrews 12:15-17 or 10:36-39. Read Galatians 4:7-9. These are just a few. God can save us, but your salvation is dependent upon wlaking in the light. As Romans 8 describes, we must walk in the spirit. You have a choice as a free will agent. You can set your mind on things of the spirit or on things of the flesh. You can taste the word of God and then fall away. |
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4 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | Robert Nicholson | 75604 | ||
Sniper: I do not believe that God's word supports the idea that a person can lose that which he has given. We know that as children of God we have "been redeemed with the precious blood of Christ a lamb without blemish and without sport" (1Peter 1:19) As spiritual members in the family of God we cannot give up that relationship because our acceptance is not based on our Christian walk, but "he hath made us to be accepted in the beloved".Eph. 1:6 Paul continues "...in whom after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession..."Eph. 1:13-14. Our walk in Christ or as you have mentioned our walking in the light will effect our fellowship with God our Father, but will never put us out of the family. According to 1 John 1 we will sin and we can be forgiven to keep our fellowship clear with the Father. Not only that "we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteousness" ( 1John 2:1) who is seated at the right hand of God. I do not ignore Heb. 6, Heb. 10:36-39 or 12:15-17 Nor do I overlook Gal. 4: 7-9 However, when studying the scriptures I am aware that there is no contradictions in the scriptures and if I find a verse which does not seem to fit with the overall truth of the scripture, than we must look to God for the interpretation. As you are aware there are at least 3 views on Heb.6: 1-9. First of all Hebrews was written to the professing Jewish believers who were undergoing extreme persecution for the name of Christ. There was the danger of some going back to Judaism especially if they were mere professors in Christ. In the opening verses of Heb. 6, the writer is not accusing anyone of going back or turning away from their faith in Christ, but is encouraging them "let us go on unto maturity (perfection) in Christ. In v. 3-8 is stressing a hpypothetical situation of what would happen to a saved person if they could fall away. To be born again and indwelt by the Spirit of God and to somehow fall away, they would be in action be saying that the blood of Christ is not sufficient to keep them once and for all. They put to open shame the work of the Son of God.V.6 However, the writer of the Heb. addresses those who are saved "But beloved, we are confident (persuaded) better things of you, and things that accompany salvation" v.9 In Heb. 10:38 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" However in v.39 we read "But we are not of them who draw back unto judgement; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. In verse 38 the writer is setting down the principles of God. He emphasizes that those who are saved "are not of them who draw back into judgment" In Heb. 12:15-17 We are given the example of an apostate which is pictured in Esau who looked on his birthright not a worthy thing. He had no faith in what God had for him. He sold himself out and when he looked for what was his inheritance, he found that he made an irreversible choice. I do not think Paul is referring to turn away from their salvation in this passage. In v. 7 we are reminded of our position in Christ. "if a son, then an heir of God through Christ". The problem with the Galation was that they had experienced the freedom which is found in Christ. They had been freed from their sin and the curse of the Law chp. 3:13 He reminds them that they are heirs of the free. However, there were those who were trying to bring them back under the bondage of the law from which they had been freed. Thus he says "How turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage."V.9 In Chp. 5 we are exhorted "Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Gal. 5:1 Before we were saved we were the bondservants of sin (Rom. 6:17) But in Christ we are "made free from sin and became the bondservants of righteousness. (Rom. 6:18) I believe that my eternal security depends upon the work and worth of Christ in whom I rest my all. I believe that all born again people are indwelt with the Spirit of God and as such walk in the Spirit who will guide us and give us power to live for Christ. Robert |
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5 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | sniper | 75609 | ||
If there is apparent contradiction between your beliefs and the Bible then youmust look to the Bible(word of God) for the answer. How did Hebrews 6:3-8 become hypothetical? I see no indication in the text that it is hypothetical. Rather the text indicates that the writer is referring to specific cases. Hebrews 10:38 says "But my RIGHTEOUS one shall live by faith; and if HE (referring back to the righteous one) shrinks back my soul has no pleasure in him. It does say that the ones who shrink back are those who were never saved. Why do you think that the writer of Hebrews admonishes the christians so many times that they must endure? They must not shrink back. They must perservere. The Bible teaches that you can turn away from God's gift. |
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6 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | Robert Nicholson | 75647 | ||
Sniper: It is not my intention to strive with the scriptures. I apologize for my inability to communicate. However, the audience to whom the writer is communicating to is in V.9 "Beloved we are persuaded better things of you..." The preceding warning is covering the question if they were able to turn away. I would recommend a sermon by C.H. Spurgeon on the topic. It is found at http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0075.htm In Heb. 10:38 I never suggested that "those who draw back" were never saved. The writer is emphasizing in V. 39 "We are not of them who draw back unto judgement, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" How can we perervere? How can we be overcomers? In both cases we are dependent upon God for our perserverence. Peter writes "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5) Your last point. "I do not believe there are any examples in scripture of people who accepted the gift of God which is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23) Peace in his name Robert |
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