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1 | God allowing things in our lives | 2 Tim 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 193851 | ||
Dear miller521, You wrote, "...challenges in our life... do not originate with him [God]..." Afflictions, according to the Scriptures, are often used by God in order that the instruction of the Word may be effective. Do a search for the word affliction in the Psalms and count the number of times that God is said to be the author of them. Look how many times David appreciates the much needed affliction of the Lord in Psalm 119 alone. I'm not certain where you are receiving your teaching on the attributes of God, but I would pause to take time to think about some of the following: God tears, heals, smites, binds up (Hosea 6:1); devours like a lion (Hosea 13:8); wounds, afflicts, strikes, bruises, smites, makes sore, heals, kills, makes alive (Deuteronomy 32:39; 1 Samuel 2:6; Jeremiah 31:28; Job 5:18; Isaiah 53:10); forms the light, creates and causes darkness (Isaiah 45:7; Jeremiah 13:16; Exodus 10:21; 14:10); makes peace, makes the dumb, deaf, seeing, blind (Exodus 4:11); sends sore judgments upon Jerusalem -- the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast -- (Ezekiel 14:21); sends an evil spirit (Judges 9:23, 1 Samuel 16:14; 18:10; 19:9-10); sends evil angels (Psalm 78:49), shoots arrows and darts, breaks bones (Lamentations 3:12-13; Numbers 24:8-9; Deuteronomy 32:22); heaps mischief upon people (Deuteronomy 32:23); breaks in pieces horses, nations, chariots, rider, men, women, the young, the old, the young man, the maiden, shepherds, flocks, husbandman/yoke of oxen, captains/rulers (Jeremiah 51:20-23); turns men to destruction (Psalms 90:3); is as a moth and rottenness (Hosea 5:12); feeds and makes drunk with worm wood, gives the water of gall to drink (Lamentations 3:15; Jeremiah 9:15); creates and brings evil/calamities (Isaiah 45:7; Jeremiah 18:8; Job 2:10; Amos 3:6); creates the day of prosperity and the day of calamity (Ecclesiastes 7:14). etc. "I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things." (Isaiah 45:7 ESV) Furthermore, the trials of life don't just spring up from nowhere (Job 5:6). Everything that happens is under God's sovereign control. God is sovereign over the entire universe (Psalm 103:19; Romans 8:28; Ephesians 1:11). God is sovereign over all of nature (Psalm 135:6-7; Matthew 5:45; 6:25-30). God is sovereign over the angels, including Satan (Psalm 103:20-21; Job 1:12). God is sovereign over nations (Psalm 47:7-9; Daniel 2:20-21; 4:34-35). God is sovereign over human beings (1 Samuel 2:6-7; Galatians 1:15-16). God is sovereign over animals (Psalm 104:21-30; 1 Kings 17:4-6). God is sovereign over "accidents" (Proverbs 16:33; John 1:7; Matthew 10:29). God is sovereign over the free acts of men (Exodus 3:21; 12:25-36; Ezekiel 7:27). God is sovereign even over the sinful acts of men and Satan (2 Samuel 24:1; 1 Chronicles 21:1; Genesis 45:5; 50:20). In Him, Doc |
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2 | God allowing things in our lives | 2 Tim 3:16 | miller521 | 193881 | ||
Doc, what I am simply saying, is that God might use the challenge to help us grow, but John 10:10 says that the Thief came to kill steal and destroy, (talking of Satan) so unless Satan at times does God's work, then how do we call God a destroyer? Also, I have never met anyone who truely believes God does things such as gives cancer to teach a lesson, I've yet to ever meet anyone who says they believe that, and live it. Here is the proof. If you are to believe God sends cancer to teach a lesson, then who are you to ever go to a doctor, take any medicine, or allow doctors to help someone get 'cured' from something God says they should have. If you ever believe God at times sends sickness and harsh times on people, then you should be an outright advocate of shutting down hospitals, making sure nobody can get loans to keep their business afloat etc etc. But like I said, I've never seen anyone live what they preach when they claim God is responsible for hardships in their life. They all support doctors, even though by their theological idea, those doctors might be in direct opposition to God by curing someone that God wants sick. I'd never want to work against God, would you? |
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3 | God allowing things in our lives | 2 Tim 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 193924 | ||
Dear Miller, Regarding God's use of Satan: I don't understand the problem. I believe I asserted fairly clearly that God makes use of secondary causes. If not in a post to you, then to others (see, for example, most recently in post #193535). God actively makes use of "secondary causes" in working out His eternal purpose. Those secondary causes include the actions of men (both lost and saved), angels (both fallen and elect), nations, nature, etc. Your "proof" is rooted in a logical fallacy called a false dilemma. All truth originates in God. He grants men the knowledge necessary to minister to the sick (Proverbs 2:6). It would be sinful not to make use of these provisions. All healing, ultimately, comes from God. So, if you believe that God never explicitly sends disease: Who does it say brought the plagues upon Egypt in Exodus 11:1, or leprosy on Miriam in Numbers 12, or Uzziah in 2 Chronicles 26:20, or the diseases upon the Israelites in Numbers 11:33, 2 Samuel 24:15, or 2 Chronicles 21:15, or Herod in Acts 12:23? Who does it say will will bring disease to His people in Leviticus 26:21 and Deuteronomy 28:61? What was the source of Paul's thorn in the flesh (2 Corinthians 12:7)? God is not one who is benign, yet helpless. He is not a Plan B kind of God. He is not a God based in wishful thinking. No... He is fully sovereign. Plans formed long ago are carried out in perfect faithfulness. Nothing can thwart His eternal purpose, and He leaves nothing to chance. Even as I type, my father is dying of cancer. By God's grace, he is honoring the Lord moment by moment in the few days that he has remaining. My father is entirely in the wonderfully loving, wise, holy, and powerful hands of the Lord. Thus, our hope is a confident expectation of the certitude that He will fulfill His every promise. In Him, Doc |
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4 | God allowing things in our lives | 2 Tim 3:16 | miller521 | 193974 | ||
Had Pharoah listened to God and let the children out of Egypt, there would have been no plagues would there? Why do you blame God when all Pharoah had to do was be obedient? How can you not just as easily say that through disobedience to the Word of God, which is sin, that the troubles came? Its much easier to blame God, then ourselves isn't it? I am sorry to hear that your father has had this sickness put upon him by the devil. What does John 10:10 say? Who is the one that comes to kill steal and destroy? My point is still very very valid. If God wants someone sick, you have no right to try to make it easier on them, or make them feel better. Do you think you will someday ask God to allow you to go into Hell, and give water to those who are being tormented? |
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5 | God allowing things in our lives | 2 Tim 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 193980 | ||
Son, I'm sorry... We can deliberate over Scripture, working with sound doctrine, and solid logic. However, I am ill equipped when we dive deeply into the realm of the purely silly. (Proverbs 14:7) | ||||||
6 | God allowing things in our lives | 2 Tim 3:16 | miller521 | 193984 | ||
I'm sorry you find the scriptures refering to the children of Israel in egypt as silly. |
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