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1 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171695 | ||
Dear Searcher, Thank you for your thoughts. It has certainly been interesting, but also confusing. I still don't know where you think Elijah went. As I've said, your story ends with him floating about in the air. You say you don't believe Elijah went to the Heaven where God is, so you must be saying that he went into the heaven of the sky. But then what? You seem to have no idea what happened. The sky wasn't his final destination was it? If so, is he still up there? What does he do all day? Doesn't he get bored? The Bible says he went into the sky, but that after that he wrote a letter to the King. So he must have gone via the sky to another location. After all, the Bible doesn't play games. I think you are right to call a halt to this discussion now because it will go nowhere until you figure out in your own mind what really happened to Elijah. Anyway, thanks again for your thoughts. Dr. B. |
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2 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | mark d seyler | 171699 | ||
Hi Dr. B, In looking at Elijah's destination, I have seen referenced the verse John 3:13 "no one has ascended into heaven". Since ascended, "to go up", is in the active voice, would this not mean someone who ascends into heaven of their own volition, and would not necessarily be referring to someone who was caught up, who went up under another's volition, which would be a passive voice verb? Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171714 | ||
Dear Mark, Thanks for the point regarding the active voice of the verb "Anabaino" - to ascend. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think that you are necessarily correct. In Matthew 17:27 Peter is told to use a line and hook to catch a fish. When he does so the fish "cometh up" [anabaino in the active voice] Now did the fish decide to come up of its own power and choice, or did it only come up because Peter caused it to come up? The fact that when Jesus ascended he did it in the active voice, merely means that he was the one doing the action of ascending. Similarly, taking a look at the active voice of "Katabaino" - to descend - does not indicate that Jesus descended under his own power. In Luke 9:54 the disciples James and John asked Jesus, "wilt thou that we command fire to come down [katabaino] from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?" Katabaino is again in the active voice, yet it is hardly possible that the fire descended of its own power and volition - it would clearly be sent from God. Likewise with Acts 10:11 and Acts 11:5. The vessel Peter saw in a vision was sent by God - it didn't travel of its own power. And likewise James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down [katabaino - active] from the Father of lights" Again, this very clearly shows that something or someone that God causes to ascend or descend can be spoken of in the active voice. I hope that this helps. Yrs, Dr. B. |
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4 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | Morant61 | 171733 | ||
Greetings Dr. B! May I add a point concerning your point? :-) With the exception of James 1:17, every example you cited is a case where the 'thing' going up or coming down is in the accusative case - thus it is not doing the action. Even with James 1:17 (and the others as well), the verbs are either participles, or in one case infinitives, thus again, they are more descriptive than examples of the 'things' actually doing the action. I haven't checked all of the occurances of these verbs, so there may be examples of nominative uses with main verbs, but I doubt it. So, I think Mark makes an excellent point. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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