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1 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171644 | ||
Dear Searcher, I can only assume you have not read a word I have written. I have not changed any words - I directed you to the original Greek word "Tartarus" to explain what was being referred to by "hell". I directed you to the examples in the Psalms to explain what the "chains of darkness" are. And I proved from Peter that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are "reserved for judgment" in precisely the same way as these aggelos are. The similarity in their state is obvious because they are all dead humans. Please do not accuse me of changing words when I have not done that. In answer to what happened to the others, have you read 2 Peter 2 or Genesis 6? The aggelos of Peter were not spared and neither was "the old world". Everyone died apart from Noah and his family. Jude 1:6 and 7 are direct references to Peters letter, so there is no reason to cover the same issue twice. I don't understand this sentence - "Plus, if those in Genesis 6:2, how did they have relations?" You are very good at asking questions but not very good at answering them. So here's a few to start with (some of which you have already blatantly ignored): Please explain how angels can sin, when Christ told us that they can't. Please explain how the 50 men looking for Elijah thought they'd find him when Elisha had already told them that Elijah was in Heaven and, according to you, they had most probably watched Elijah go there. Please explain why you have invented a belief that they were after Elijahs spirit, when 2 Kings 2 actually tells us that they "afar off" and on the other side of the river Jordan during the conversation about double portions of spirit, and also tells us the exact reason they went to look for Elijah – that they were concerned about Elijahs safety and went to make sure he was okay? They urged Elisha until he was "shamed", not until he got angry with them for wanting Elijahs spirit! It is clear they cared about Elijah. Your claim they wanted double portions of Elijahs spirit is invented un-Biblical nonsense. In your own words, "Where is your Biblical support?" Please prove that the heaven we are referred to in 2 Kings 2 is the Heaven where God abides and not the heaven of the sky. Please prove your convolution that Elijahs letter was a prophecy and not simply a letter written at the time. Please explain why when Jesus said, "No man hath ascended up to heaven," he was actually lying. I look forward to your answers. In future, please read what I have written before you write your answers. It will help prevent you from making false accusations. Yrs, Dr. B. |
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2 | Dr. B. Who're the angels (2 Pet 2:10-11) | Eph 4:9 | Searcher56 | 171653 | ||
Scripture ... 2 Peter 2:2-11, Jude 1:5-8 ... Dr. B., Let us compare these passages 2 Peter 2:2-3 is not in Jude 2 Pet 2:2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 2 Pet 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep Jude 1:5 is not in Peter Jude 1:5 Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 tells about the same event, using different words – they weren’t killed 2 Pet 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; - Jude 1:6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 2 Peter 2:5 is not in Jude … and I hope you agree these were killed 2 Pet 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:6 and Jude 1:7 tells about the same event, using different words. Do you agree they were killed with brimstone. 2 Pet 2:6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; - Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Compare 2 Peter 2:7-11 (especially v 10) and Jude 1:8 2 Pet 2:7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 2 Pet 2:8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 2 Pet 2:9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 2 Pet 2:10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, 2 Pet 2:11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. - Jude 1:8 Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. … what about the angels and angelic majesties … are these those in Genesis 6:2, or are they those angels in heaven? Searcher |
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3 | Dr. B. Who're the angels (2 Pet 2:10-11) | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171660 | ||
Dear Searcher, I'm leaving for today after this post, you'll be glad to hear, so time for a time out. Jude 1:6 is parallel to 2 Peter 2:4. I agree with you, but I've already shown several times how the language here indicates they died, and how that is confirmed in the Genesis account. I won't keep repeating myself. Jude 1:7 is parallel to 2 Peter 2:6. I agree that these people were killed by brimstone, however: Jude 1:7 and 2 Peter 2:9 both tell us that the punishment on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah was exactly the same as on the aggelos. So if the aggelos never died, as you claim, then neither did the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. The Bible however clearly says that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were killed, so according to both Peter and Jude, so were the aggelos. The men in Jude 1:8 appear to be the same men in Jude 1:4, who are accused of reviling "angelic majesties." That's got nothing to do with Genesis - they were men alive at the time of Peter. Okay. Over and out for a while, Dr. B. |
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4 | Dr. B. Who're the angels (2 Pet 2:10-11) | Eph 4:9 | Searcher56 | 171664 | ||
I am talking about the angels in Jude 1:4 and Jude 1:8 ... 2 Peter 2:4 and 2 Peter 2:10-11. Are the writers referring to the same group? | ||||||