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1 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 169247 | ||
Mark, I'd be interested to hear your scriptural basis for a belief in 'Abrahams bosom' - a place only mentioned once in a parable which is (I was going to say parabolic..!) is at best not entirely literal. In fact it is in a parable which Jesus himself uses to mock the pharisees, their high priest and their belief system... The description you missed out when describing Gehenna was that it was not only an OT place of idolatry, but also a place where the bodies of executed criminals were burned. Which explains a lot about why people today think it was "Hell". As you say, Gehenna was translated badly and should never have been translated out of the original Greek into english as "Hell" or "Lake of Fire" or anything else. It's a placename "Gai ben Hinnom" - the valley of the son of Hinnom. |
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2 | Jesus decended into hell? | Eph 4:9 | kalos | 169252 | ||
Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man ____________________ "If hell fire is false and if self-awareness after death is also false, then Jesus is using false doctrines to teach a truth. Parables illustrate truth." ____________________ 'In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades. Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either. 'Some say that this is a parable. However, if it is, it is unique because no other parable actually names a person. It isn't a story. It is history. It really happened. But many who believe in no consciousness after death will say it is still a parable. The question then is, if it is? What is it teaching? If hell fire is false and if self-awareness after death is also false, then Jesus is using false doctrines to teach a truth. Parables illustrate truth. If it is a parable what does the consciousness after death symbolize? Also, what does the agony in flame symbolize? Are they not real? Of course they are. (...) 'Hades 'This word only occurs in the NT, ten times, and corresponds to the OT word "sheol." Jesus uses the word four times: Matt. 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23. The other six occur in Acts 2:27,31; Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13,14. 'It was probably the "subterranean abode of all the dead until the judgment. It was divided into two departments, paradise or Abraham's bosom for the good, and Gehenna or hell for the bad." In particular, in the account of Lazarus and the Rich man of Luke 16:19-31, it is the place of the conscious dead who are wicked. 'Sheol 'The Hebrew word Sheol is probably derived from a root "to make hollow," and was seen as the common receptacle of the dead and in the great many places the word appears in the OT it is referring to the grave. It is a place and is mentioned in Gen. 37:35; Num. 16:30,33; Psalm 16:10, etc. Sheol has many meanings in scripture: the grave, the underworld, the state of the dead. It was supposed to be below the surface of the earth (Ezek. 31:15,17; Psalm 86:13). (...) 'Conclusion 'Hell is a real place. It is not mere unconsciousness. It is not temporal. It is eternal torment. Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven and spent so much time warning people not to go there. After all, if people just stopped existing, why warn them? If it was temporal, they'd get out in a while. But if it were eternal and conscious, then the warning is strong. 'Jesus said, "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30"And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell," (Matt. 5:29-30).' ____________________ (www.carm.org/doctrine/hell.htm) |
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