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1 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | DocTrinsograce | 187446 | ||
Dear Lookn, Interesting that you can't see the connection. But the desire to believe that men dead in sin can resurrect themselves (Pelagianism) lies deeply rooted in the heart of man. I lack the ability to dissuade presuppositions on such a level. But I know One who can. By the way, the teaching of the moral inability of fallen man (radical depravity) is pretty broadly accepted as an orthodox Christian doctrine of Scripture. I thought you might want to get a glimpse of some of the people who, in your estimation, are and have "misinterpreted verses." Along with James Packer, you will also need to assert the exegetical error of the Councils of Diospolis, Council of Ephesus, Council of Orange, and the Synod of Dortrecht. Furthermore, you'll have the same criticism of most of the great published summaries of Christian belief, including the Book of Concord, Midland Confession, Heidelberg Catechism, Westminster Confession, Thirty-Nine Articles, Savoy Declaration, 1689 London Baptist Confession, Philadelphia Confession, Abstract of Principles, and -- more recently -- Cambridge Declaration. (However, you can take heart because your interpretation is supported by the Councils of Trent.) Additionally, your criticism of James Packer as an erroneous exegete will, therefore, necessarily include men like Polycarp, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox, Theodore Beza, Jacobus Arminius, Thomas Watson, John Bunyan, John Owen, Thomas Manton, Benjamin Keach, John Gill, Cotton Mather, Thomas Boston, Richard Baxter, George Whitfield, John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Spurgeon, Arthur W. Pink, J. Gresham Machen, Martyn Lloyd-Jones, R. C. Sproul, James Kennedy, John MacArthur, John Piper... to name a few. In Him, Doc "No wasp will make honey; before it will do that it must be transformed into a bee. A sow will not sit up to wash its face like the cat before the fire; neither will a debauched person take delight in holiness. No devil could praise the Lord as angels do, and no unregenerate man can offer acceptable service as the saints do." --Charles H. Spurgeon |
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2 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187457 | ||
Doc, 1. I respectfully submit that you read and assume too much into a person's comments. 2. I respectfully but strongly contend that unless (a) these men are infallible in their interpretation of Scripture, and (b) they have the power to judge me to hell, I (a) am not obligated to agree with them, and (b) need not fear to make the determination that they are erred. As such, your comment seems to have no bearing on the issue being discussed, at least, as far as I am concerned. |
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3 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | DocTrinsograce | 187468 | ||
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4 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | flinkywood | 187526 | ||
Doc, You and Emmaus exchanged postings a while back on sola scriptura and sacred tradition. Emmaus quoted John Chrysostum to support his argument. I've searched but can't find the string. Can you help me locate it? Thanks, Colin |
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5 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | DocTrinsograce | 187535 | ||
Hi, Colin... I don't recall the explicit discussion. However, John Chrysostom was known as one of the greatest exegetes of Scripture, from the Antiochian School of thought. Perhaps the following quotes will be helpful: "For thence [from scripture, for all doctrine] we shall know, whether we ought to learn or to be ignorant of anything. And thence we may disprove what is false, thence we may be corrected and brought to a right mind, may be comforted and consoled, and if anything is deficient, we may have it added to us. 'That the man of God may be perfect.' For this is the exhortation of the Scripture given, that the man of God may be rendered perfect by it; without this therefore he cannot be perfect. Thou hast the Scriptures, he says, in place of me. If thou wouldest learn anything, thou mayest learn it from them. And if he thus wrote to Timothy, who was filled with the Spirit, how much more to us!" "[The Scripture], like a safe door, denies an entrance to heretics, guarding us in safety in all things we desire, and not permitting us to be deceived... Whoever uses not the Scriptures, but comes in otherwise, that is, cuts out for himself a different and unlawful way, the same is a thief." "Formerly it might have been ascertained by various means which was the true church, but at present there is no other method left for those who are willing to discover the true church of Christ but by the Scriptures alone. And why? Because heresy has all outward observances in common with her. If a man, therefore, be desirous of knowing the true church, how will he be able to do it amid so great resemblance, but by the Scriptures alone? Wherefore our Lord, foreseeing that such a great confusion of things would take place in the latter days, ordered the Christians to have recourse to nothing but the Scriptures. The man of God could not be perfect without the Scriptures. [Paul says to Timothy:] 'You have the Scriptures: if you desire to learn anything, you may learn it from them.' But if he writes these things to Timothy, who was filled with the Holy Spirit, how much more must we think these things spoken to us." "It is absurd, while we will not trust other people in pecuniary affairs, but choose to reckon and calculate for ourselves, that in matters of far higher consequence we should implicitly follow the opinions of others, especially as we possess the most exact and perfect rule and standard by which to regulate our several inquiries: I mean the regulation of the divine laws. I, therefore, could wish that all of you would reject what this or that man says, and that you would investigate all these things in the Scriptures." I hope they are helpful to you. In Him, Doc |
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6 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | flinkywood | 187537 | ||
Doc, I just found the string, but Emmaus' post #170887, which you responded to point-by-point, is missing. I remember his Chrysostom citation as supporting the Catholic position on sacred tradition, but it's been erased, apparently. Your quotations make me even more curious to find Emmaus' quotation. Thanks very much for your reply. Colin |
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