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1 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Tim Sheasby | 22631 | ||
More Clarification. The miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, given in the NT by the outpouring in Acts 2 (on the Apostles) and Acts 10 (on Cornelius and his household) is not the same as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is automatically received when one believes and is baptized. Being able to speak in tongues or heal is not the seal of the Holy Spirit but an outward manifestation for the purpose of witness. In Acts 2 it supported the preaching of Peter and the other Apostles. In Acts 10 it showed Peter that the Gentiles were to be accepted as brethren. And in other places it was used for the same purpose. The indwelling Spirit, however, is our guarantee from God that we are one of His people. Tim |
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2 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Morant61 | 22802 | ||
Greetings Tim! There is a major problem with your interpretation (several actually) - Acts 2:38! Acts 2:38 says, " Peter replied, ‘‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." If, as you believe, repentance and baptism are necessary for salvation, then according to Acts 2:38, the reception of the "gift of the Holy Spirit" clearly is a result of repenting and being baptized. However, Acts 10:45 says, "The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles." The exact same phrase is used, "the gift of the Holy Spirit" had been poured out upon them. So, clearly the two gifts are the same. Yet, in Acts 10:45, they had received the "gift of the Holy Spirit" without being baptized. How? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Tim Sheasby | 22826 | ||
AMEN! We receive the gift of the Holy Spirit at baptism. You seem to disagree that there are 2 different aspects of the Holy Spirit here. In Ephesians 1 Paul talks about the Holy Spirit as a seal and pledge. (vv 13 and 14). This in no way implies "Spiritual gifts" of miraculous proportion. This is an internal Spiritual function, a mark, a sign, a seal, a guarantee. Not all New Testament Christians had miraculous ability. Miraculous ability was no evidence of spiritaul maturity either. Just look at the Corinthian church where some were claiming superiority because they spoke in tongues while others did not. Paul does not praise them but tells them to grow up. Paul speaks of these miraculous manifestations as signs to unbelievers (1 Cor 14:22). These are Christians. They have received the "indwelling" Holy Spirit or the Seal of the Holy Spirit as a sign to God that they are His. But in 1 Cor 14:1 Paul tells them to desire Spiritual Gifts (implying that some of them may not have had these gifts). In the Language of Acts 2:1 and following the Spirit came "upon" them. In Acts 10 the Spirit was "Poured out" on them. A gift external with external signs. A gift "of" something can be "from" that person or thing or a gift of that person or thing him/it-self. This is not a divided Spirit but different aspects of the Spirit received at different times by the same person/s. There is a receiving by outpouring and a straight gift and these are two different things. Or is this impossible? Yours in Christ Tim Sheasby |
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