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1 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Tim Sheasby | 22438 | ||
Why was Cornelius a special case? The fact that Peter had to defend his action in baptizing Cornelius shows why. If Cornelius had not received the Holy Spirit then Peter and those Jewish brethren with him would have had great difficulty in accepting Cornelius in the first place and getting the rest of the churct to accept him in the second place. A simple sign from God. The Samaritans in Acts 8 were baptized and had to have the Apostles come down and lay their hands on them so that THEY could receive the Holy Spirit. -- Baptized first, Holy Spirit second. This does not mean that they did not have the seal of the Holy Spirit spoken of in Ephesians 1 or the gift of the Holy Spirit Peter spoke of in Acts 2. This is talking about miraculous gifts of the Spirit like was received by the Apostles in Acts 2:1 ff and Cornelius in Acts 10. The events of Acts 2 and Acts 10 are unique in Scripture. Except for those two occasions it is seen that miraculous gifts are given by the laying on of Apostles hands. Tim |
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2 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Sir Pent | 22492 | ||
Word of Warning .................................. I just want to throw in that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) teach that for a person to be saved, they HAVE to be Baptised by immersion and the laying on of "Apostle's hands". I am not necessarily saying that Tim Sheasby is a Mormon. I just want to point out to the forum that this is a very dangerous and unscriptural teaching. |
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3 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Tim Sheasby | 22497 | ||
Not a Mormon and in no way believe that you have to have Apostles hands laid on you to be saved. Have never given any indication that this is what I believe. There has still not been a single argument that holds up against the very command of Christ that those who believe AND are baptized will be saved. I believe it is both SCRIPTURAL and SAFE to preach that you have to be BAPTIZED to be saved. But you also have to BELIEVE. Baptism alone does not save, neither does faith (Read James). And finally BAPTISM is NOT a work. It is a submission. It is something done TO you not something you do to yourself. Those who say it is a work totally misunderstand what this is about. If I go to the doctor to get an injection the injection is not MY work. It is the DOCTORS work. I simply allow him to do it. Simple logic. You have to make a decision for yourself. All of us, and I include myself, must be very sure that we are not simply following the traditions we have grown up with but are lovers of truth 2 Thess 2:10 Phil 2:12 "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" Tim |
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4 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Sir Pent | 22507 | ||
Clarification ................................ Dear Tim S, I am glad that you are not a Mormon, and as I said in my post, I did not necessarily think that you were. I was just pointing out that religion's beliefs on the matter, which are somewhat close to yours. As for the placing of Apostle's hands, you said in one post, that, "miraculous gifts are given by the laying on of Apostle's hands." In that post you seemed to be saying that these "gifts" were signs of being saved, and that they normally occur only with Baptism (with the special case exceptions of Cornelius, etc.) This is slightly different than Mormon belief, but it was close enough that I wanted to point out the similarity. I did not intend to attack you personally. |
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5 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Tim Sheasby | 22631 | ||
More Clarification. The miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, given in the NT by the outpouring in Acts 2 (on the Apostles) and Acts 10 (on Cornelius and his household) is not the same as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is automatically received when one believes and is baptized. Being able to speak in tongues or heal is not the seal of the Holy Spirit but an outward manifestation for the purpose of witness. In Acts 2 it supported the preaching of Peter and the other Apostles. In Acts 10 it showed Peter that the Gentiles were to be accepted as brethren. And in other places it was used for the same purpose. The indwelling Spirit, however, is our guarantee from God that we are one of His people. Tim |
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6 | why is baptism important | 2 Cor 5:17 | Reformer Joe | 22801 | ||
You have provided no evidence that has distinguished the manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Repeating your assertion does not make it any more true. It simply makes no sense to suggest that the Holy Spirit would exhibit gifts through a believer whom He did not already indwell. Your Cornelius case remains weak. Go read Romans 4. Our FAITH is credited to us as righteousness, just like in the case of Abraham. Show me one clear New Testament case of someone manifesting the works of the Spirit without being a believer in Christ, and then we can investigate this idea further. Until then, I will continue to put stock in verses like these: "So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or BY HEARING WITH FAITH?" --Galatians 3:5 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. --Romans 10:8-10 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void." --1 Corinthians 1:17 Hmmm...the gospel and baptism: two separate things...imagine that! --Joe! |
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