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1 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Reformer Joe | 72196 | ||
"Job didn't have any proof that his children did anything wrong. Although it doesn't use the word feared or afraid, what Job felt is obvious. Job is the personification of both goodie-two-shoes and worry wart." What you are saying is not obvious at all; in fact, I think it is quite wrong. Here is how the Bible introduces Job: "There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil." --Job 1:1 So please tell us how the Bible's description of a blameless, upright, God-fearing individual who turns away from evil squares with your condemnation of him as a "goody two-shoes" and a "worry wart." I think it is obvious who is making the wrong judgment of Job's character here. What Job is doing for his offspring is precisely what the covenant head of a household should do. He represents his children before God, and he seeks to make atonement for the possible sins of his children. At the same time he was teaching his children the importance of fearing God as well. This is how it worked under the Law of Moses as well. Do you think that every man, woman, and child who sinned offered their own sacrifices for their own individual sins? No, the head of household customarily made the offerings on behalf of himself and those whom God had put under his care. On the Day of Atonement itself, the high priest did for the entire nation of Israel what Job does here for the unknown sins of his kids. Job was not being fearful or fretful, but rather obedient and loyal to God. --Joe! |
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2 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72199 | ||
I understand that it was the responsibuility of the head of the household to offer those sacrifices, but he should do so with the right motive. I believe that Job did the right thing for the wrong reason. That reason being that, in his heart, he feared what would happen if He didn't make those sacrifices. Not that he sinned, because it clearly says that he didn't. Job feared, and Satan carried out what Job feared. I think we both make a good case for either side, but I know from previous encounters that neither of us will convince each other of our beleifs. So I call for a truce on this issue for the time being. Jesified |
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3 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | stjones | 72215 | ||
Hi, Jesified; At the risk of disturbing a truce, I will offer my opinion that you have not made a good case. Let me just say a couple of things about my courageous friend Job. First, you said that "Satan carried out what Job feared". The Bible says nothing about Job being fearful of having his flocks stolen or his servants murdered, yet Satan did those things too. Satan killed Job's children for the same reason that he had the flocks stolen and the servants killed - because Job valued them. And his reason for doing all of those things is clearly stated in the Bible. Job's alleged fearfulness is pure speculation with no Biblical foundation. In fact, Job himself denied your accusation: "Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?". (Job 2:10) These are not the words of a fearful man. Second, you've said elsewhere in this thread that God looks at our hearts. If God had looked at Job's heart and seen "wrong reasons" (i.e. fear), he would not have pronounced Job righteous. What he saw when he looked at Job's heart was love and faith that could stand the severest test that Satan could devise. Come to think of it, you're right about one thing. The wisest man in the world said "here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13) If being a "worry-wart" means to fear God and being a "goody-two-shoes" means to keep his commandments, then Job was indeed doing his whole duty - courageously. Every Christian should strive for no less. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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