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1 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Reformer Joe | 72071 | ||
You wrote: "As the world of science teaches, for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction. Though this is in referance to the natural world, the same holds true for the spiritual realm. For sin there is atonement. For Heaven (an eternity with God) there is Hell (eternity with out God). For faith we have fear." Not one of these is an example of the scientific principle that you mention. Hell is not a necessary reaction to heaven. Atonement is not a necessary reaction to sin (just ask those in hell whose sins are not atoned for). And fear is not a necessary reaction to faith. You also wrote: "Faith activates God, however fear activates the devil." The creation "activates" the Creator? And all along I though He was in charge! The Bible tells us that you are wrong about us "activating" God: 'Why should the nations say, "Where, now, is their God?" But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases.' --Psalm 115:2-3 Job himself understood this as well, while God is giving him a little four-chapter lesson on Who is in charge (Job 38-41): "Behold, I am insignificant; what can I reply to You? I lay my hand on my mouth."--Job 40:4 Wouldn't it be nice if we often laid our hands on our own mouths? We activate God?!? I fear Him far to much to ever think such an insolent thing. You also wrote: "The other fact that people miss is that God didn't CAUSE Job to suffer, he ALLOWED it." I don't think anyone has said anything to the contrary. "If we keep reading you'll see that it was during one of his sons' feasts that messengers came telling Job of what was happening to him. Why is this? Because that was when Job was afraid." What verse shows us that Job was afraid? Methinks you are making stuff up. "Fear gives Satan the legal right to carry out the acts which you are afraid of just like faith gives God the right to carry out what we have faith for." Please show us the verse which says that fear gives Satan a legal right to do something. And then repent for insisting that human beings EVER have the power to give or withhold rights from the omnipotent, holy, sovereign Creator God of the universe. He is the one who owns everything, and any attempt or declaration to be God's god will be met with nothing but His just wrath. The fact that someone can call oneself a Christian and at the same time claim to have control over God is a clear sign of why reformation is so desperately needed in the 21st-century church. --Joe! |
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2 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72097 | ||
You know, I didn't think about that not being a reaction. I just played it off the cuff and it didn't occur to me, however, they still do remain and opposite. I didn't examine what I said before I said it. It was, in fact, a horrible analogy, but it’s the only part of my post that I shall “repent about” as you suggested. Funny it should come under Acts 17:11's listings. Anyway, I can see that I have to explain much of what I said after that. First of all, Satan has some legal rights (let me explain before you shut me down). When Satan fell from Heaven where did he fall? The answer is to the earth as we see in Job 1:7. “And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” Jesus called him the prince of this world 3 times. John 12:31, John 14:30, and John 16:11 ”Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” ”Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.” Also, when Satan tempted Jesus in the desert, Satan offered Him all the kingdoms of this world. “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.” (Matthew 4:10) If Satan didn’t own those kingdoms then it wouldn’t actually be a temptation and the Bible would be falsely representing what actually happened. I’m not saying that God is not sovereign. Sovereignty doesn’t mean that God DOES what ever He wants, it means He CAN DO whatever He wants. He doesn’t want us to go to Hell. He has the power to stop us, but he allows us to live by the decisions we make. God is sovereign over all creation and with that He gave us free will. We must choose to follow God or the prince of this world. God has the power to do whatever He wants to on earth but there are many things that we have to ask Him to do because Satan has influence. God keeps the earth turning and feeds the plants and wild animals, but Satan hands out sickness and disease. (Luke 13:16, Acts 10:38) Did you, the creation (as you put it) have to ask God to forgive you of your sins? Since I'm fairly sure you answered yes, then you are requesting of the creator which is all I said when I said faith activates God. Do you think that God wants everyone to go to Heaven? Of course, that’s why Jesus died. However, we know through numerous passages in the Bible that everyone won’t go to Heaven. God is sovereign and could just make us all go to heaven, but then He would be contradicting what Jesus said in John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Just putting us in Heaven would mean that we didn’t have to believe. However, since we have to believe, or have faith, in the fact that God can remove our sins and that He can open the gates of Heaven to us then we are activating something in the creator. Jesified |
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3 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Reformer Joe | 72193 | ||
"First of all, Satan has some legal rights (let me explain before you shut me down)." I hope I didn't give the impression I was trying to shut you down. I just want to discuss the validity of our two viewpoints in light of Scripture. You wrote: "Jesus called him the prince of this world 3 times. John 12:31, John 14:30, and John 16:11" True enough, but we need to be careful not to jump to any unwarranted conclusions. First of all, the Greek word used for world ("kosmos") can be used to refer to the planet itself, but very often in the New Testament it is the word for the sinful world system that opposes God the Father and the Gospel of His Son. It is not out of the ordinary at all to consider Satan to be the (unlawful and insurgent) ruler of this enemy kingdom. Paul even goes so far as to refer to Satan as "the god of this world." (2 Corinthians 4:4) That does not mean that Satan is deity any more than saying that Satan is the prince of this world means that God has anointed him in some way as having jurisdiction over any part of the Lord's creation. "I?m not saying that God is not sovereign. Sovereignty doesn?t mean that God DOES what ever He wants, it means He CAN DO whatever He wants." Sovereignty does indeed mean that God does whatever He wants. Read Psalm 115:1-3 again (the verses I included in my last post). Nothing at all happens that God doesn't cause Himself or allow to be done (or some combination of the two). You wrote: "God has the power to do whatever He wants to on earth but there are many things that we have to ask Him to do because Satan has influence" And Satan does not have any power or influence that God does not allow him to exercise, and he ultimately uses even the deveil's rebellion to His own glory. "Did you, the creation (as you put it) have to ask God to forgive you of your sins? Since I'm fairly sure you answered yes, then you are requesting of the creator which is all I said when I said faith activates God." In the case of my own justification, He has indeed tied that to faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is a condition of justification (and is itself a gift of Go -- Ephesians 2:8). Without going into how I believe that God causes that faith as well, I can point out that justification through faith works that way because God extablished that one and only means for justification and bound Himself to it (John 3:16). That is perfectly consistent with Scripture. However, the Bible does not paint a picture of a God who is holding back to see whether we will let Him work or not. The God of the Bible is an active, intervening God whose will is supreme over the will of His created beings. You wrote: "However, since we have to believe, or have faith, in the fact that God can remove our sins and that He can open the gates of Heaven to us then we are activating something in the creator." The Bible teaches that we have faith in God as a result of the Creator's activation of us, and not the other way around (Matthew 16:17; Acts 16:14; Romans 8:29-30). --Joe! |
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