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1 | die in your sins | John 8:24 | Morant61 | 234442 | ||
Greetings Andy! The context of the passage would support that 'I am' is used in John as a title, indicating that Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus uses "I am" four times in John (8:24, 8:28, 8:58 and 13:19). The wording is the same as in Deut. 32:39 and Is. 43:10. In fact, the LXX uses the exact same Greek phrase in Is. 43:10 as Jesus uses in John. So, clearly, Jesus is stating that He is God, not that He simply exists. The reaction of the Jews in 8:59 supports this view as they try to stone Him. Blasphemy was one of the few offenses worthy of stoning. I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | John 8:24 | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234444 | ||
John 8:24 says, I will "die in my sins" if I don't believe that Jesus is "I AM" (title of God). Do I have to believe in at least a Binity (Father and Son co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial) in order to be saved? I have heard that I don't have to believe in the Trinity to be saved but do I at least have to believe in a Binity? | ||||||
3 | John 8:24 | John 8:24 | DPMartin | 234446 | ||
Don’t confuse the issue of being saved, (Jesus Christ is your Salvation), and the understanding of “trinity”. Jn:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Believing in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, is the only begotten Son of God is sufficient. The thief on the Cross acknowledged Him as Lord, the Lord, and if you notice, it was sufficient for the Lord to promise him that He would see him in paradise that day. Understanding the relationship of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, is some thing you come into the understanding of in your relationship with the Lord. The aggravation with the entities that preach and teach “trinity” never seem to have the answer for the understanding thereof. The usual bailout or back peddle is “it’s a mystery” meaning they don’t know what they preach. |
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4 | Is your religion a true religion? | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234448 | ||
The last two responses to John 8:24 is exactly what I expected from the Christian Community. Theologians, scholars and pastors disagree about this verse. The disagreement over this verse presents two different gospels. Will I "die in my sins" if I don't think Jesus is Jehovah or will I "die in my sins" if I don't think Jesus is the Son of God. Are some people adding to the gospel or are others eliminating a truth to the gospel by saying one must only believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not Jehovah. Some people believe that I must believe that Jesus is Jehovah unless I will "die in my sins" and others say that I only have to believe in the name of the "only begotten Son of God". Here's my question: Can the Trinitarian religion even be true if scholars, theologians and pastors disagree on the requirement of belief needed for salvation? | ||||||
5 | Is your religion a true religion? | John 8:24 | Morant61 | 234450 | ||
Greetings Andy! I thought you were asking an honest question, but it seems as though you are baiting us. :-( Mr. Martin and I did not actually disagree in our responses. One must understand and accept the true nature of Jesus in order to be saved, but most Christians feel that a full understanding of the Trinity is not necessary for salvation. However, as a Christian grows in his or her faith, an understanding of the Trinity will follow. For instance, I was saved when I was six years old. Did I really understand the Trinity at that age? Of course not! But, I did understand that Jesus was and is God. So, do you really have honest questions about this topic, or are you just pushing an agenda? Either way, I would be happy to discuss this issue with you, but it would be nice to know up front what your motivation is. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Tim, what's the gospel truth? | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234466 | ||
Hey Tim, I have no idea what you mean by "you were baiting us". How did I know you wouldn't be the one to answer my question about the requirement of belief needed for salvation? However, Mr. Martin and you did disagree in your responses. If he would have agreed with you he would have said, "Yes, you do have to believe in a Binity because Jesus is saying in John 8:24 that you 'will die in your sins' if you don't belive that He is Yahweh (I AM)." Mr. Martin also never mentioned that I "must understand and accept the true nature of Jesus in order to be saved". If you read his post it sounds like I have to trust that Jesus is the Son of God and not Yahweh Himself. If Jesus is saying that He is Yahweh in John 8:24 then He is obviously saying that He is co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial with the Father. Thus, if you believe this interpretation of John 8:24 then you must have to believe in at least a Binity in order to be saved. So, Mr. Martin would have said, "Yes, you have to believe in a Binity unless you will 'die in your sins'". Instead, He said that all I have to do is believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. You actually just admitted that some people disagree about the requirement of belief needed for salvation in your last post. You said, "MOST Christians feel that a full understanding of the Trinity is not necessary for salvation". WHAT? MOST? Shouldn't your sentence read, "ALL CHRISTIANS" or "NO CHRISTIANS"? So, In response to your first question, I couldn't have asked a more honest question in my life. I want to know how the Trinitarian religion can be true if a number of pastors disagree on the doctrine of salvation. WHAT GOSPEL IS TRUE? Shouldn't there be an exact formula revealed our Bibles of the exact requirement of belief needed for salvation. How do I witness to people? Do I tell people they will 'die in their sins' if they don't believe Jesus is Yahweh or do I tell people they will "die in their sins" if they don't think Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? My question remains: Can the Trinitarian Protestant religion even be true if scholars, theologians and pastors disagree on the requirement of belief needed for salvation? My agenda is seeking truth within the Trinitarian Protestant Religion? I hope you can help. God Bless, Andy |
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7 | Tim, what's the gospel truth? | John 8:24 | Morant61 | 234467 | ||
Greetings Andy! Allow me to touch upon a couple of your points! 1) What did I mean by 'baiting'? When most people ask a question, it is because they don't know something or haven't formed a solid opinion. Based upon your posts, you seem to have a very definite opinion on this issue. Therefore, your question was simply an attempt to bait a discussion. 2) What are we required to believe? Mark 1:15 tells us that we are to believe the good news. John 1:12 speaks of believing in His name. John 3:15-16 speak of believing in Him. John 3:36 speaks of believing in the Son. John 5:24 speaks of believing His word and in Him who sent Him. John 6:29 says that we must believe in the one He has sent. John 8:24 says that we must believe that He is 'I am'. John 20:31 says that we must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Rom. 10:9 speaks of believing that Jesus is Lord and that God has raised Him from the dead. So, it is apparent that there must be a basic understanding that Jesus is God, and that God sent Him to die for us. This is a very basic introduction to the doctrine of the Trinity. Must every Christian be able to explain the Trinity in order to be a Christian? I would say no! Like I said, I was six when I was saved. So, I am not sure what your issue really is? Jesus is God and He is also the Son of God. Your Brother in Christ. Tim Moran |
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8 | Was the blind man God? | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234493 | ||
Hey Tim, Thanks for all the scripture on what we are required to believe. It was like playing the game I-SPY the perversion. And I spied your perversion to the gospel only because I know your interpretation to John 8:24. Look at all the beautiful verses that tell people they are required to believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. And then there's John 8:24 that sticks out like a sore thumb. This is the only verse that supposedly requires a person to believe that Jesus is actually Yahweh Himself and not the Son of God. Isn't this suspicious to you Tim? And then you said in one of your posts that the context calls for this "I AM" to be a Divine title. Did you read the next verse (8:25). The response of the Jews screams the exact opposite of a Divine title when they ask "Who are you?" Why did they ask that? Didn't Jesus just tell them in verse 24 that He is Yahweh. Tim, I'm sorry but I have to call you out that you are perverting the gospel with your interpretation to John 8:24. Your adding to the gospel by requiring a person to believe in a Binity in order to be saved. You are adding to the doctrine of salvation with the wrong interpretation of John 8:24. I would even start at the foundation and make sure Exodus 3:14 (I am that I am) should even be translated that way. Are you going to let one controversial verse (John 8:24) which is built upon another ambiguous verse (Exodus 3:14) add to the truth of your gospel. This sure changes John 3:16 to read, For God so loved the world that He sent Himself. I don't think you're going to answer my question if the Trinitarian Protestant Church can be a true religion. Who am I kidding, I think I know the answer. The answer is NO! There could be partial truth to the religion but it's really about trying to find the right gospel within the Trinitarian Protestant religion. A religion can't be entirely true if people within the religion can't even agree on the requirement of belief needed for salvation. I hope this post is not too divisive but their is nothing more divisive than telling someone they will "die in their sins" because of a poor interpretation one way or another. Tim, this is important so let's feed off of one another and let's get the gospel right. So let me start with the first question. Did the blind man in John 9:9 claim he was God when he said the "Divine Name - I am" (ego eimi in greek) when saying he was the blind man. By the way, I would like to congratulate you on being saved at the age of six. That's awesome! I don't think I even new my phone number or address when I was six let alone know the nature of Jesus and that the Son of God can also be God. That's incredible! God Bless, Andy |
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9 | Was the blind man God? | John 8:24 | BradK | 234496 | ||
Hey Andy, Frankly, I think you're putting the cart before the horse! Who is Andy S and what makes him an authority on the matters to which he speaks? Why should we trust what YOU say? You're making a lot of claims and accusations but I see little if anything to substantiate them! Pardon me for being blunt, but just because YOU say so, Andy, doesn't make it so! Please enlighten this Forum a little about yourself, your background, your theological beliefs and or training. Maybe then, we can start to place some credence in what YOU say! Please Note: To adhere to StudyBibleForum's intended purpose, please read the following before submitting a post: 1. This post is biblically based and whenever possible, I have included Bible references to support it. 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. 4. I have carefully proofread my post and believe it represents my best efforts. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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10 | Was the blind man God? | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234498 | ||
Brad, I have no authority. The word of God is my authority. I claim to only be a Berean. You shouldn't trust what I say! I wouldn't accept or reject anything I say until you test it in light of scripture. I have included Bible references to support all my claims. Can you give me an example of where I didn't? I have even given you my online sources. I'm sorry Brad, but if you agree with Tim on this issue then I feel that you are in direct violation of #2. If you believe the gospel requires a person to believe in a Binity to be saved then this belief is a personal attack on the authority of the Bible. We as Christians need to feed off one another to fully understand the absolute truth to the gospel. If you have read my other posts then you know how passionate I am about the gospel I have come to know and love. As you probably know, there are differing views concerning the requirement of belief needed for salvation. Some people believe you need to believe in the Trinity to be saved. Many people such as Tim believe that you need to believe in a Binity to be saved. And others like myself don't believe one has to believe in any aspect of the Trinity to be saved. If people disagree within the Trinitarian Protestant religion on the requirement of belief needed for salvation then the religion can't be entirely true. What you are left with then is trying to figure out what the truth to the gospel really is. As you know, adhering to the truth of the gospel is very important. In fact Paul wishes that anyone who perverts the gospel to be accursed (Gal. 1:6-9). So Brad, do you want to "waste your time" talking about credentials or do you want to join me in trying to figure out the truth to the gospel? God Bless, Andy |
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11 | Was the blind man God? | John 8:24 | BradK | 234500 | ||
Hello Andy, I'm going to leave my final say on these points: 1. I never said I agreed with Tim. Those are your words. I don't disagree with his stated views on John 8:24, but I don't recall he or anyone else saying anything about belief in a "Binity" being required for salvation! This is your terminology. I'm not sure what leads you to make this linkage? You feel I'm in direct violation of #2! Hogwash, my friend. 2. I'm not at all aware the Orthodoxy holds or requires a belief in the Trinity to be saved. Not-withstanding the initial paragraph of the Athanasian Creed, I certainly don't believe that; 3. I would rather let him speak, but you're putting words in Tim's mouth to state he believes "that you need to believe in a Binity to be saved"; 4. I'm not clear on exactly what you mean by referring to this "Trinitarian Protestant religion". Can you explain better what you mean by this?; 5. Do I want to "waste my time" talking about credentials or do you want to join me in trying to figure out the truth to the gospel? That depends. Hear me out on this, because it's a very important point you seem to have overlooked. I don't wish to waste my time in dialoging with someone I know nothing about. Respect is earned. You've been on this forum all of 3 days. Repoire is built over time. Authoring some dozen posts doesn't get you that, young man. 6. Lastly, you've entirely lacking in transparency. My question again: Who is Andy S? We know nothing of your church or denominational background. Are you attending Bible college or are you a seminary graduate? What are your theological presuppositions? Do you have an agenda? Andy, 3 days on the Study Bible Forum does not gain you instant credibilty. You're a fool if you think otherwise. Unless you can do a better job in being more candid in your intentions, laying your cards on the table and being upfront about who you are, I will not waste any further time with you! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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12 | Was the blind man God? | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234519 | ||
BradK, 1. I didn't say you agreed with Tim. I said, "IF you believe Tim on this issue". I want to make you happy Brad so I posed the question to Tim entitled "Do you believe in a binity?" He hasn't answered yet. If he doesn't answer that He does believe in a binity according to my definition given to him then I would question him being "well-rounded". If Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah then He is obviously claiming to be "one being" with Jehovah. 2. You say you are not aware that Orthodoxy holds or requires a belief in the Trinity to be saved. You missed my point to this post. The fact you had to know my credentials first clouded your comprehension of my post. My point is that Trinitarian Protestant "Orthodoxy" doesn't even know what "Orthodoxy" is concerning the requirement of belief needed for salvation. One leading Pastor who requires a belief in the Trinity is John MacArthur. If you have access to I-tunes I just listened to one of his question and answer shows last week. You can download this for free on I-tunes and it's the 9/5/11 show and he talks about the Trinity being a requirement of belief 23 minutes into this podcast. 3. What do I mean by Trinitarian Protestant Religion? Well, I know you like me to source the Bible but the words "Trinitarian", "Protestant" or "Religion" are not in the Bible. So Dictionary.com will be my source. 1. Trinitarian: The belief in the doctrine of the Trinity. 2. Protestant: An adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the reformation. 3. Religion: A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. So put together I would say that it is a group of people who believe in the doctrine of the Trinity that separated themselves from the Church of Rome who generally agree on a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices. My point is that this religion cannot be true because people within this religion do not generally agree on a one specific fundamental belief needed for salvation. 4. You said you don't want to "waste your time" in dialoging with someone you know nothing about. I'm sorry but I don't think Jesus would agree with you. The Pharisees were the ones with the "credentials" and He was not concerned about their credentials? Did the Bereans ask for Paul's resume before they heard him out. No! They searched the scriptures daily before they accepted or rejected his claims. Brad, we definitely do not see eye to eye on this. The way people gain credibility with me is not by showing me their degrees. I could care less. The way trust is built in my eyes is testing the truthfulness of their claims in light of scripture. Brad, I don't remember ever asking you to dialogue with me. This last question, "was the blind man God?" wasn't even directed to you. It was directed to Tim. I could care less if you don't want to dialogue with me. Trust me, my feelings aren't hurt. You have added nothing to this topic. I'll be blunt. I'm a high school drop-out but at least I'm smart enough to google "Trinitarian Protestant Religion". Do I have an agenda? Yes! It is learning from others and proclaiming the truth to the gospel that I have come to know and love. Please do not chime in anymore. You are only slowing down this process. Tim seems much more passionate about the truth to the gospel and I'd much rather dialogue with him about the gospel and not about credentials. |
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