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1 | Interpret John 8:24 | John 8:24 | Morant61 | 234544 | ||
Greetings Andy! The reason I mentioned meeting face to face (not that it will probably ever happen) is that posts are not a very effective way to communicate. As evidence, even though I have explained several times what I believe about John 8:24 and salvation, you are still asking for me to answer. To begin my answer again, allow me to quote from JFB: "if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins — They knew well enough what He meant (Mar_13:6, Greek; compare Mat_24:5). But He would not, by speaking it out, give them the materials for a charge for which they were watching. At the same time, one is irresistibly reminded by such language, so far transcending what is becoming in men, of those ancient declarations of the God of Israel, “I AM HE” (Deu_32:39; Isa_43:10, Isa_43:13; Isa_46:4; Isa_48:12). See on Joh_6:20." Jesus is fully God. He is God incarnate. He is the Son of God. He is our Priest, our King, and Our Sacrifice. One cannot be saved if they do not understand at least some of this about Jesus. But, our understanding about Jesus prior to salvation, during salvation, and even in Heaven, is progressive in nature. Must someone fully understand the truth of His nature in order to be saved? NO! NO! NO! That is where I disagree with your former pastor's statement. Someone need not be able to fully explain the doctrine of the Trinity in order to be saved! However, someone cannot also not be saved if they believe that Jesus is just a great teacher, a man with wonderful insights. Now, I have answered your question as directly as I can. Will you answer a few for me? Who do you say Jesus is? Is He fully God? In other words, do you reject the Deity of Christ? Do you reject the Trinity itself or just the view that one must understand the Trinity to be saved? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Interpret John 8:24 | John 8:24 | Andy S. | 234556 | ||
Hey Tim, It looks like I'm not the only one who thinks you are dodging this question. Servetus is right. I never said my former pastor said I had to UNDERSTAND how Jesus is Yahweh, he said I just have to BELIEVE Jesus is Yahweh. These are two totally different things. Tim, if someone could truly understand every aspect of how the Son of God can actually be the Supreme God himself, the person could make millions of dollars writing books about this. I said I agree with you that our finite minds cannot fully comprehend God. So I repeat: My pastor did not say I have to UNDERSTAND any of this. He only said I have to BELIEVE it. I remember him even referencing the Samson story and saying you don't have to understand how Samson's hair gives him strength, you only have to believe it. So back to the same wording in the hypothetical scenario in the coffee shop I gave you. I really don't see how you would have any disagreement. My former pastor is talking to you and says, "People will 'die in their sins' if they don't BELIEVE Jesus is co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial (one being) with the person of Jehovah. If Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah then He is obviously claiming to be the "being" of Jehovah". So Tim, sorry for the misunderstanding. But knowing that my former pastor said nothing about the requirement of having to UNDERSTAND a binity, what is your response to his statement. Finish this conversation. Do you say I agree... or do you say I disagree because.... I can't move on if you are not honest with this. I'm not the only one who thinks you might be dodging this question. Servetus even said he didn't remember my pastor saying one must understand this. And then you completed the sentence in his post and said I disagree because one does not have to fully UNDERSTAND the nature of Jesus. You have not answered my question as "directly" as you can. I need to first establish the truth to your gospel and then I will let you know about all my presuppositions. I would love to discuss all the scripture you gave me especially the comparison of Mar. 13:6 and Mat. 24:5. I definitely think you are reading waaaaay to much into these "I am" statements. I look forward to our continued discussion on the truth to the gospel message. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. God Bless, Andy |
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3 | Interpret John 8:24 | John 8:24 | Beja | 234565 | ||
Andy, Since it seems to matter what other people thought of Tim's answer, I thought he answered very well. In Christ, Beja |
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