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1 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | mark d seyler | 172518 | ||
Hi John, Thank you for your answers. I think you may have misunderstood me, since you did not actually answer the question I asked. I know that all born again believer have faith. We have been talking about whether faith can exist in one before regeneration or not, but you have made this point moot by saying that you believe Abraham was a born again regenerate. Where does the Bible tell us that? Where in the Bible do you find the first "born from above" experience happening? I would answer No because we do not see the Holy Spirit indwelling believers until after the crucifixion. Hebrews tells us that these men and women of faith died without receiving the promise, the result of faith, (see 10:39) the preservation of soul, salvation - the new creation. Heb 11 39 And having obtained witness through the faith, these all did not obtain the promise, 40 God having foreseen something better concerning us, that they should not be perfected apart from us. Love in Christ, Mark PS - We're closing for the day, so I'm off the net til Monday. Good discussion, John! You really challenge me on these things! I am looking forward to continuing, if you don't burn out over the next couple of days. :-) |
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2 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | CDBJ | 172552 | ||
Hi Mark; With reference to your question: “We have been talking about whether faith can exist in one before regeneration or not, but you have made this point moot by saying that you believe Abraham was a born again regenerate. Where does the Bible tell us that?” Do you believe that Abraham is in heaven? If your answer is an obvious yes then are the following verses true or false? John 3:3-5 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. I would say on the basis of those pertinent verses, that all of the Old Testament believers were born again or regenerated. They are the family of God; we are the royal family. You suggest the following. “I would answer No because we do not see the Holy Spirit indwelling believers until after the crucifixion” The regenerating work of the Holy Spirit prior to the work of Christ on the cross didn’t guarantee the indwelling of the Spirit as we have it in the New Testament. We are privileged to have the down payment; the very earnest of the Spirit, which the Old Testament believers didn’t have. They were in indwelled in some cases but New Testament believers are indwelt, never to be forsaken. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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