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1 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | CDBJ | 172551 | ||
Hi Mark; With reference to your question: “We have been talking about whether faith can exist in one before regeneration or not, but you have made this point moot by saying that you believe Abraham was a born again regenerate. Where does the Bible tell us that?” Do you believe that Abraham is in heaven? If your answer is an obvious yes then are the following verses true or false? John 3:3-5 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. I would say on the basis of those pertinent verses, that all of the Old Testament believers were born again or regenerated. They are the family of God; we are the royal family. You suggest the following. “I would answer No because we do not see the Holy Spirit indwelling believers until after the crucifixion” The regenerating work of the Holy Spirit prior to the work of Christ on the cross didn’t guarantee the indwelling of the Spirit as we have it in the New Testament. We are privileged to have the down payment; the very earnest of the Spirit, which the Old Testament believers didn’t have. They were in indwelled in some cases but New Testament believers are indwelt, never to be forsaken. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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2 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | mark d seyler | 172605 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Where does the Bible tells us where Abraham is right now? How significant are my beliefs compared to Biblical statements? Is any answer "obvious" if the Bible does not tell us? Even if we assume Abraham is in heaven right now, why would we not equally assume that Abraham was given rebirth after Jesus died, as He "led captivity captive"? This fits much better, in my thinking, with the fact that the "new covenant" was yet future to the time of Abraham. (This is leaving aside the relationship of regeneration to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.) But assumptions aside, where is the Biblical evidence? Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | CDBJ | 172613 | ||
Hi Mark; You are absolutely right the Bible doesn’t actually say where Abraham is at present, just as it doesn’t say where we will be the week after we pass out of this life. The moment we pass out of these bodies we will be face to face with the Lord, but the Bible doesn’t actually say where we will be a week or so later, but isn’t that a rather obvious. 2 Cor. 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Now on the other hand we can take the following into consideration. John 14:2-3 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Since these verses don’t take place until after, what we call the rapture, maybe we won’t be with Jesus all the time after we leave this life. Are we getting off of the beaten track or what? This is starting to sound like Greek logic. i.e. If (A) then (B), if (B) then (C) etc. Psalm 119:160 The sum of Thy word is truth, And every one of Thy righteous ordinances is everlasting. Have fun, CDBJ x |
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4 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | mark d seyler | 172618 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Not only does the Bible indicate that we will be present with the Lord upon dying in these bodies, it even says we are in heaven with Jesus now. Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, Eph 2:5 even we being dead in deviations, He made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are being saved), Eph 2:6 and raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus, Col 3:3 For you died, and your life has been hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:4 Whenever Christ our life is revealed, then also you will be revealed with Him in glory. Then in 1 Thess 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus." we are told that the dead in Christ remain with Jesus as He comes to "harpadzo" the living in Christ. "And so we shall always be with the Lord." (1 Thess 4:17) So we are with Jesus now, in heaven. We continue to be with Him in heaven after we "die". When He comes to rapture the church, the "dead" in Christ come with Him, and we all continue to be with Him. This is a very explicit revelation regarding the whereabouts of the Church, those who are "in Christ." But we do not have anything like this kind of revelation regarding the OT saints, at least not to my knowledge. We are kind of off track here, but this thread is passing dangerously close to dispensationalism, and so the point is germain. Love in Christ, Mark |
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5 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | CDBJ | 172670 | ||
Hi Mark; What is meant by your statement? “We are kind of off track here, but this thread is passing dangerously close to dispensationalism, and so the point is germain.” 1 Cor. 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. Ephes. 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Ephes. 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward: Col. 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Is there something wrong with dispensations that I don’t know about and or was Paul under the same germane influence as yours truly, due to the fact of the previous verses? Have fun, CDBJ |
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6 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | mark d seyler | 172692 | ||
Hi CDBJ, I find nothing wrong with dispensations. I find dispensationalism to be a sound Scriptural teaching. But I know that there are others who disagree, and as is often the case, when I try to make a "tongue in cheek" sort of comment, I fail. :-( Love in Christ, Mark |
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7 | Are we presenting the gospel scripturaly | John 1:12 | CDBJ | 172764 | ||
Hi Mark; When everything else fails, drop back 10 yards and punt! Chuck |
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