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1 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Sonlit | 163551 | ||
Please bear with me, as I am brand new to this forum and am not quite sure of even how to check if my question has already been asked. I am an 'older Christian' and have been raised and taught in the same church for 40 years. Our doctrinal statement has been the same this entire time. We have been blessed with a new pastor. He is a graduate from the Master's Seminary and I am being made aware of Biblical questions I have never thought to ask and my soul is searching for answers. I don't want to debate...I only want to learn. With this said, I came across a verse from John 17:9 that reads "My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have given me, because they belong to you." This is Jesus talking to His Father. Did Jesus know at that time who was His Father's and who wasn't? If Jesus didn't pray for the 'world', should we? Or should our prayer be for the elect only? Is it futile to be praying for someone to be saved when 'before the foundations of the world' they were already known. I use to hold on to that verse "God is not willing that any should perish" like a bulldog on a bone. But I am now being taught that that verse is really saying "God is not willing that any of HIS CHOSEN should perish" I can't tell you how this has changed my prayer life, my view of my heavenly father. It really has shaken my foundation. I will be grateful for any and all responses. | ||||||
2 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | kalos | 163862 | ||
Did ALL the world go after Christ? [Note: In the following quote the discussion is not about the English word all. Rather it is a discussion of the meaning(s) of the Greek word that is translated all in the English NT.] Strong's Number: 3956 Transliterated Word: Pas 'Definition '1. individually a. each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything '2. collectively a. some of all types '..."the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go after Christ? '"then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan." Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? '"Ye are of God, little children, and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does the whole world there mean everybody? 'The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts -- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor -- and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile...' (New Testament Greek - StudyLight.org) Grace to you, Kalos |
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3 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Morant61 | 163865 | ||
Greetings Kalos! May I provide a slightly different perspective? It is certainly clear that sometimes 'all' can be modified or limited in some manner by the text. A reference to 'all disciples' is not the same as 'all people'. 'Everyone in the room' clearly does not mean the same as 'everyone in the world'. :-) However, there is a theological bias that forces many to make 'all' mean less than 'all' in many passages. If I said to someone, 'I ate all the pie', would anyone assume that I only meant that I ate some of the pie. Or, would anyone assume that I only meant that I had eaten some of all kinds of pies? As for the examples in your quote, some of them them either ignore the context or make major assumptions not in evidence from the text. For instance, John 12:19 says, "So the Pharisees said to one another, ‘‘See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”" This is quote of the Pharisee's, not an affirmation of fact. The Pharisees were not correct in their statement, since they had not gone after Him! ;-) Matthew 3:5 says, "People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan." Do we really know that everyone didn't go? Or, are we assuming that they didn't? The most likely case with this verse is that the cities are personified since the verbs are singular. I have no problem with restricting the word 'all' when the text demands it, but I have a major problem with doing it because a theological system demands it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | atdcross | 163870 | ||
I believe, Tim's provision of a "slightly different perspective," is valid and more in line with accessing the intended meaning of the Biblical writers. There are those who say Jesus died but for a few By a sovereign decree No man can view God made the choice Who was to win Who was to lose But I believe Jesus dies for all men The Word says what it means And it means just what it says Every man of Adam's fall Can come to the Cross And be restored The mystery is not For whom Christ died But that he died For us all They say "the world" means "The elect" and not "all men" And "all men" just means "The chosen" before the world began God made the choice To save a few And damn the rest But I believe Jesus Atoned for all men And no one is beyond The reaches of God's arm Every sinner can hear the call And believe for Jesus Shed his blood for all The mystery is not For whom Christ died But that he died For us all |
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5 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Morant61 | 163881 | ||
Greetings Adtcross! Thanks for the kind words my friend! By the way, who wrote this poem? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | atdcross | 163909 | ||
Hi Tim... You're welsome. The poem, actually a song, is mine. I am aware that it has no Bible references to support it but figured it would help stimulate some thought. |
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7 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Morant61 | 163913 | ||
Greetings Adtcross! Well done! I don't have enough talent to write a song. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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