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1 | Did Christ not fulfill the law? | Matt 5:17 | Magnum | 22125 | ||
I am not saying that one should or should not follow the teaching and instruction of G*d(Torah)to obtain or add to their salvation. Believe on the Lord Jesus the Messiah and you shall be saved period. What I and talking about is not legalism either. What I am talking about is the many blessings to be had by observing G*ds instructions for living our lives. Jesus observed Torah(he was the author) he observed the Biblical Feast and dietary laws. He came not only to be the lamb of G*d that takes away the sin of the World(he fullfilled the role of the Passover Lamb, being without spot or blemish)to take away the sins of the world. He came to show us how to live lives that were pleasing to G*d. The Torah was given long before Moses, G*d himself started animal sacrifice in the garden,Genesis 3:21 The Lord G*d made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. He shed the blood of animals to cover the sin of Adam and Eve. G*d must have instructed Cain and Able as to what was a proper offering that being an animal and not grain. If Torah was not around before Moses how could the Lord warn Cain that sin was crouching at his door? Thou shall not Murder. The Lord tried to give his Torah to his people directly in Exodus 20:18-19 they asked Moses to speak to them and not the Lord. I can't think of any of the Lords commandments that I don't want to follow, can you? maybe the one about stealing? or that one about murder? perhaps the one about adultery? Jesus made it very clear that can keep G*ds commands in Matthew 5:48 "Be perfect , therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect". It's not a matter of having to keep or follow the commands of the Lord it's a matter of loving him so much that you want to. The Lord says in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. | ||||||
2 | Did Christ not fulfill the law? | Matt 5:17 | There | 22172 | ||
First I do believe that Cain's sin was not in offering "grain" to the Lord, but that he did not give God the best, but only from the leftovers so to speak. Gen.4:3-4 And at the end of days it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord. Abel also brought of the FIRSTLINGS of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offerings, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. "The end of days" implies the end of the growing season, rather than the firstfruits of the crop. But I do agree that because Adam and Eve ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they and their offspring KNEW right from wrong. You said: If Torah was not around before Moses how could the Lord warn Cain that sin was crouching at his door? Again, I believe Cain knew right from wrong because his parent's ate from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil". But that is not the Torah (teaching and instruction) from God. As to the Lord's "commandments", you are making the assumption that the Torah is the Ten Commandments. But the verse in Matthew 5 is not talking about only the Ten Commandments. It is talking about the Torah, the first five books of Moses. All the teachings and instructions given to the children of Israel by God through Moses. You said: I can't think of any of the Lords commandments that I don't want to follow, can you? In another post, I mentioned to you certain teachings in the Torah that I personally would not want to "keep". I'm grateful that we are not obligated to keep the Torah. I'd prefer not to hate my enemies, give an eye for an eye, nor many of the others teachings (commands) in the Torah. You said: Jesus made it very clear that can keep G*ds commands in Matthew 5:48 "Be perfect , therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect". But we can only be "perfect" through the teachings of the Holy Spirit. I mean that our obedience in the flesh is nothing... if it is not a "law" that God has written on an indivdual heart. If God has written on your heart to let's say "keep the dietary laws", then do so. Period. It would be sin if you didn't. But if He hasn't written that on someone else's heart, but instead tells them to be grateful for the pork that He has provided them to eat... it isn't sin for them to eat pork. And that same example could be used concerning most if not all of the Torah. You said: Jesus made it very clear that can keep G*ds commands in Matthew 5:48 "Be perfect , therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect". A reminder. It is God who calls and God who "justifies". We cannot make ourselves "perfect" by obeying Torah. If one could, there would have been no need for the new covenant at all. All those things in Matthew 5 spoke of "heart motives" and there is only ONE Person that can fix a heart and perfect it. And that is God Himself. As He teaches... so we shall obey His voice. You said: The Lord says in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. I would then ask you... which command should we obey? An eye for an eye (Torah), or love your enemies (Matt.5:39). Love your neighbor and hate your enemy (Torah), or love your enemies (Matt.5:44)? Swear in the Lord's name (Torah), or not at all (Matt.5:34). So who's commands do you think we are suppose to obey? Those given to Israel through Moses, or those taught by Jesus Christ? |
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