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1 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | jawz | 47584 | ||
srbaegon: You are trying to use english grammatical rules with greek text, but english and greek grammar are very different creatures. Also regarding John 7:5, if they were Mary's children they would have had the responsibility of looking after their mother whether they believed in Jesus or not. Quite clearly however, they did believe after Jesus' resurrection, look at Acts 1:14. So if they were Mary's children there is absolutely no reason for Jesus entrust his mother to John. They are not Mary's children which is why Jesus does so. Lionstrong: It make make perfect sense to you in English, but in Greek the opposite meaning is clear. Hank: I gave a subjective opinion of mine as a follow on from the points I had made, perhaps that was a mistake. The points, however, stand on their own and are not the result of my opinion. I would ask you to consider why Mary and Joseph got married at all, since Joseph was not the father of Jesus. However, if Mary was to have a child with no apparent father, all would have assumed that she had commited adultery and as a consequence she would have been stoned to death. Thus Joseph was necessary to give the semblance of fatherhood to Mary's child in order to protect her reputation and life. It does not automatically follow that they had sexual relations as a normal husband and wife. I think it is an understatement to say that they were far from a normal husband and wife. You again quote Matt 1:25 and state that my "translation" goes against every reliable translation that exists in English. I'm not giving you a translation though, I am telling you what is says in Greek. Unfortunately, all literal translations of the text in English miss this point because we read with English grammar and not with Greek. I will quote other passages below to illustrate this point. Also, there is no mention of other children early on in Jesus life. In Luke 2:41 it tells how Mary and Joseph went every year to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. When Jesus was twelve years old and they were returning home, Jesus had stayed at the temple without them being aware of it. They assumed he was with friends or "relatives" in their company and travelled a day before going back to search for him. Note that this is twelve years after their marriage and there is only Joseph, Mary and Jesus, plus their relatives. There is no mention of other children. Psalm 72:7 "In his days the righteous will flourish;prosperity will abound till the moon is no more." Does this mean that when the moon is no more the righteous will no longer flourish? 1 Corinthians 15:25 "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet." Does this mean that Christ will no longer reign after all his enemies are put under his feet? Psalm 123:2 "As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the Lord our God, till he shows us his mercy." So when God shows us his mercy, we no longer look to the Lord our God? Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to (eos/until) the very end of the age." Again, does this mean that at the end of the age Jesus will leave us? The answer to all the above is no, the conditions are not bound by the events but rather are ongoing, eternal. The whole point of Matthew 1:25 is to state clearly that Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations. In Greek it is clearly understood to mean this, there is no ambiguity. That is the "plain reading of the text" in Greek and all mention of Jesus' brothers and sisters in the scriptures must be understood in the light of this fact. |
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2 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | Morant61 | 47720 | ||
Greetings Jawz! Might I ask how much Greek training you have had? According to A. T. Robertson's Long Grammar (pg. 975), Mt. 1:25 is an example of 'ews' being used with an Aorist indicative to indicate the time at which an historical event ended. In this case, Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations 'until' she gave birth. The word always limits the time of an action. With some tenses and moods, it can be translated as 'while', and with some it can be translated as 'until' or 'til'. But, the point is always the same, the action is limited to a certain time span. It can even be used of a limited geographical location. But, it always limits. The limit is determined by the context. In Mt. 1:25, the limit of the action is defined as ending at the point that Mary had birth. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | jawz | 47725 | ||
Greetings Tim! I'm reasonably fluent in Modern Greek and struggling through Koine Greek thus "I must stand on the shoulders of giants in order to see far". I rely on the interpretations of those who had Koine Greek as their mother tongue, the Early Christian Fathers. Let me give a better example to show how "until" does not always limit. Mark 12:36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:" 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." ' Does this imply that the condition of Jesus sitting at God's right hand will cease when all his enemies are put under his feet? In Genesis 8:7 we read that Noah "sent forth a raven; and it went forth and did not return till [eos] after the water had gone from off the face of the earth." We know from Scripture that in fact, the raven never returned to the ark. It says that it did not return "until after," but in fact, it never returned at all. You might argue that it is expressed differently in the Hebrew, but since the Septuagint is commonly quoted in the gospels I think it is safe to accept it. Anyway, have a look at my last post in response to kalos. It's titled "Brothers of Jesus? Final proof!" which I hope will put this issue to bed once and for all. |
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4 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | Morant61 | 47732 | ||
Greetings Jawz! Thanks for the response! I wanted to know how much knowledge you were coming from! :-) I have checked every Greek dictionary and lexicon I own and none of them allow for your definition. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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