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1 | i'm still not getting this | Matt 12:31 | Ray | 93092 | ||
Hi Graceful, While you await the answer from brookelynne1982 would you care to comment on #91673 in his other thread concerning this topic? Let's look at the things that the Pharisee said. Matthew 12:24, "This *Man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons." Luke 11:15, "But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons." Mark 3:22, "And the scribes who came down from Jerusalmen were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and, "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons." His own people and kinsmen were worried about Him. Mark 3:21, "for they were saying, "He has lost His senses." Mark 3:30, "because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit." I want you to consider that the multitudes, scribes, Pharisees, and kinsmen were not rejecting the Holy Spirit. In remembering Acts 19:2 I wonder if they had "even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." Rather, they were rejecting the spirit [sic] that they perceived was in Him. We can even consider Luke 9:55 in this discussion. Luke 9:55, "But he turned and rebuked them,[and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.] And they went on to another village." I believe that Jesus cast out demons by the spirit of God. That is, by the finger of God. Psalm 8:3,4a, "When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained; What is man, that Thou dost take thought of him? From the heart, Ray |
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2 | i'm still not getting this | Matt 12:31 | gracefull | 93311 | ||
Hi Ray, I don't care to comment on the other thread. There seems to be doubt of the trinity, and this is a topic I don't want to address. I understand the 'delima' brookelynn seems to have encountered, having worked through that delima with the Holy Spirit I realize this is a progressive understanding. Like a puzzle... You said.. I want you to consider that the multitudes, scribes, Pharisees, and kinsmen were not rejecting the Holy Spirit. In remembering Acts 19:2 I wonder if they had "even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." Rather, they were rejecting the spirit [sic] that they perceived was in Him." You have a good point. The person of the Holy Spirit was not truly understood until Pentecost. Even the disciples who were specifically instructed of His coming and purpose could not truly understand. However, the Pharasees and the people did understand that only one of 'spiritual authority' could cast out demons. They were indeed rejecting Jesus as one with God given authority and attempted to reduce Him to the level of a demon possessed man Himself. But Jesus' rebuttal clearly informs them of the magnitude of their rejection, calling evil the only One who can draw them to the Father. Jesus is the Way, but the Holy Spirit enables us to go the Way through the revealing of Truth and by the supernatural work of the new birth. You said... I believe that Jesus cast out demons by the spirit of God. That is, by the finger of God. Psalm 8:3,4a, "When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained; What is man, that Thou dost take thought of him?" I agree! The finger of God is the Holy Spirit. In the beginning..Genesis...God the FAther spoke (the Word) 'light be' and light was. The Holy Spirit was moving.... Genesis 1 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. All the trinity was active in creation... The same Spirit infilled Jesus and empowered Him, the Word, to cast out demonic forces.... John 14 That same Spirit was sent to infill us! God bless |
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3 | i'm still not getting this | Matt 12:31 | Ray | 93380 | ||
Hi graceful, I agree with the addition in your second post (08-18-03, 12:15) of Matthew 9:8 and Matthew 8:8 where you use them to show the "One" who had spiritual authority. Matthew 9:8, Interlinear Greek, J.P.Green, Editor, "And seeing, the crowds marveled, and (they) glorified God, the (One) giving such authority to men." Here we see the crowds glorified God and Jesus as the One being able to forgive sins. Matthew 8:8,9, NASB, "But the centurian answered and said, "Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I, too, am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, 'Go!' and he goes, and to another, 'Come!' and he comes, and to my slave, 'Do this' and he does it." Here we see that the centurian saw himself as a man under authority, with soldiers under him. Jesus was similar, in the likeness of men, but He was the Son of Man who was given the authority to forgive sins in Matthew 9 and here was also given the authority to just speak the word and the centurian's servant was healed in Matthew 8:8-13. The Pharisees in Matthew 9 were attempting to make Him into a demon-posssessed "man" instead of God Himself, the only One who can forgive sins. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | i'm still not getting this | Matt 12:31 | gracefull | 93478 | ||
hi Ray, So one group recognized Jesus as the One with authority over the spirit and natural world, and the other group did not, but the minute point missed here is the implication from Jesus to the Pharasees that the Holy Spirit did the work. The summation of all this is in John 14. What chapter in John did you want to do the pronoun discussion on? God bless |
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